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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:39 pm

Nobody starts off as a good player.
Just keep on playing and you will become better and better, just as long as you don't give up the game.

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:15 pm

Well as I grip quite tightly I tend to have some blisters at times and my hands are getting rough. I don't really like it so decided to just go for two golfs, which is more comfortable and no more rough hands. Although it kinda give people a wussy impression but most important is comfort and I'm happy. Haha. Thanks for your pointers Paul, I'll work on my game and post my improved video.

Cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:23 am

why not just stick to one colour of glove instead of two?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Denmeister wrote:
Hi Paul,
Just wanted to let you know that the RSS has helped me achieve a couple of 80+ scores for the past two weeks. The more consistent swing coupled with an improved short game has made my games a lot more enjoyable!

Still having some nagging issues with pulled shots and the chicken wing, but I will work on the swing further and see if it improves. I find that the good shots are usually of a slower backswing tempo. I may have to groove this tempo in so that the shots will draw rather than the current pulls.

If I get a chance, I will video my swing again.

Thanks for the advices.

Thats great news Dennis.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Bangla123 wrote:
out of curiosity , is there a "right side method" of putting that you teach?

Hi Bangla

I have attached a draft of an article I recently wrote for a magazine. It is a brief description of the RSS putting model.

This is our preferred way of getting the putter moving on a nice arc keeping it low to the ground.





We don't believe the pendulum method is very effective for numerous reasons. The model is inspired by the 2 best putters of recent times, Brad Faxon and Aaron Baddeley

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:39 pm

Just my 2 cents worth on RSS.

I recently changed my swing to RSS and i must say that it has improve the consistency of my game.
Have only gone for 3 lessons and have yet to pass the 7i stage.
If my driver can find the fairway (other hole also can) i can generally reach the green with my irons because its that much more consistent and straighter.

for all those who are afraid that RSS would result in a loss of distance, don't be.
Granted you wouldnt be the longest hitter on the circuit but you would be pretty decent.
I was one such person in fact. but it was a game i played with Scott barr that changed that.
Have gone to SSN a couple of times and some of the kakis there would know my kinda distance from the range.
so there was once i hit a sweet drive (very rare) down the middle of the fairway (rarer still) and found my ball 260m away, staring at Scott's ball 50m in front of mine.
From then on i realise RSS is do-able.

ALso, what has suprised me the most is that my bunker shots are amazing now. i used to fear them, now i occasionally save par with them.
for now, the only problem i have is a steep angle coming to the ball when i hit the driver. problem is partially solved when i tee the ball lower. But i guess thats my fault. Have yet to find time to go back to chris to fully learn the RSS.

to all, i dont think RSS can convert every single person out there. But if you do find a swing that would make u enjoy golf all the more, just stick to it.
I found mine.

cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:52 pm

alvin, your much improved bunker shot should be no surprise.

majority of teaching pros suggest putting all your weight in the front/left leg for bunker shots and keeping it there thruout. some also teaches a steeper swing, If I understood Paul's posts correctly, those two are also key components of RSS swing.

PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles

Paul..question: if learning rss only for pitches and chips, is that recommended?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:57 am

Glad that someone raise this. I am 1 such example. My short game (less than 100m) is based on RSS, as I have problems with distance control esp those less than 50m shots. To be exact I use RSS for my wedges. 9i onwards all normal swing.

Is this acceptable / advisable? Or shd I just stick to 1 school?

PS: I'm a very high handicapper currently 110.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:12 pm

alvinlee wrote:
Just my 2 cents worth on RSS.

I recently changed my swing to RSS and i must say that it has improve the consistency of my game.
Have only gone for 3 lessons and have yet to pass the 7i stage.
If my driver can find the fairway (other hole also can) i can generally reach the green with my irons because its that much more consistent and straighter.

for all those who are afraid that RSS would result in a loss of distance, don't be.
Granted you wouldnt be the longest hitter on the circuit but you would be pretty decent.
I was one such person in fact. but it was a game i played with Scott barr that changed that.
Have gone to SSN a couple of times and some of the kakis there would know my kinda distance from the range.
so there was once i hit a sweet drive (very rare) down the middle of the fairway (rarer still) and found my ball 260m away, staring at Scott's ball 50m in front of mine.
From then on i realise RSS is do-able.

ALso, what has suprised me the most is that my bunker shots are amazing now. i used to fear them, now i occasionally save par with them.
for now, the only problem i have is a steep angle coming to the ball when i hit the driver. problem is partially solved when i tee the ball lower. But i guess thats my fault. Have yet to find time to go back to chris to fully learn the RSS.

to all, i dont think RSS can convert every single person out there. But if you do find a swing that would make u enjoy golf all the more, just stick to it.
I found mine.

cheers

cheers

Good to hear you are playing better Alvin. I will pass the message onto Chris. I'm sure once you get him to have a look at your driver, he will get you on the right track
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:30 pm

pushslice wrote:
alvin, your much improved bunker shot should be no surprise.

majority of teaching pros suggest putting all your weight in the front/left leg for bunker shots and keeping it there thruout. some also teaches a steeper swing, If I understood Paul's posts correctly, those two are also key components of RSS swing.

PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles

Paul..question: if learning rss only for pitches and chips, is that recommended?

Hi PS

Not quite correct what you say about all the weight on the left and a steeper swing. The weight shifts from back foot to front, as in a LSS. It's just not in the traditional sense. If anything, our players come in on a shallower angle, not steeper.

These are common misconceptions that golfers have about the RSS.

Not sure what you mean exactly about "only for pitches and chips". Yes we will teach the golfer to chip and pitch RSS firstly then progress to the full swing as the motion is the same.

Maybe I should organise an information session/seminar on the RSS to clear up any questions you all may have.

No need for anyone to be put off by what we teach. We improve the majority of golfers that do our prescribed drills and commit to the changes. As Alvin mentioned, it's not for every golfer and we don't claim to be able to fix the world. Any golf swing or theory requires some talent and hand eye skills by the golfer and some dedication to practice. Worse case, you will have a better knowledge of how your current swing works or does not work and that in itself will give you a platform to improve.

Also please note, I do not make anybody change their swing if they come for a lesson which is what most think. It is the students decision. I will say however that once a student sees their swing on video and I give my opinion, 99% want to change their swing. From here, it is generally just a change of set up (which is the cause of their swing problem) and a few drills to get the feeling of the new matching follow through. Long term it is then just maintenance to prevent the old set up and swing from coming back.

As has been the case since the beginning of GR, the FREE swing analysis is still available to all that are curious or want a second opinion on their swing.

If your current swing isn't working, why not give ours a try.

I think our track record with many of Singapores juniors, elite amateurs and pros speaks for itself.

Cheers Paul



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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:44 pm

pushslice wrote:


PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles


I would also welcome the other pros here to contribute. I would love to know how they fix some of these faults. I'm always open to ideas and alternate ways to look at things.

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:48 pm

thanks Paul for the clarification.

I mean, i had fun experimenting with RSS for my short game during my practice just basing from your posts/videos. I do find it easier to hit a crisp impact for chips and pitches because I feel like there is less body movement. But as you pointed out, bcoz I only read your posts and interpreting it myself, hence all those misconceptions.

as a fan, I like to watch different style of swing...now I'm watching a lot of lynn blake's videos. Brian Gay's swing etc.

I like Bryce Molder's too...would you mind giving your analysis on their swing? what makes it good and not so good?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:56 pm

Will see if I can find some footage of Bryce Molder and post here.

Brian Gay is a Golf Machine student under Lynn Blake. In the book they have a RSS. They call it "Impact Fix" Brian Gay uses this method and looks very right sided.

Will try to make my posts/videos a bit clearer in future. Thanks for the feedback
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:23 pm

Hello Paul,

This is how my swing looks like on the course today. Wanna offer your comments?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh0jjiXK0G8 [/url]
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:00 pm

can help me see my swing???please give comment on my swing on how to improve it...thanks...
http://www.swingreader.com/video/view/J555Smef?embed=true
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:25 pm

Denmeister wrote:
Hello Paul,

This is how my swing looks like on the course today. Wanna offer your comments?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh0jjiXK0G8 [/url]

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:17 pm

efoong wrote:
can help me see my swing???please give comment on my swing on how to improve it...thanks...
http://www.swingreader.com/video/view/J555Smef?embed=true

Hi efoong

Don't have too much time at the moment to give a full analysis but the pictures should show an obvious difference in your shaft position at the top of backswing and were your arms have ended up.



Simply put you have way too much turn and you turn too early in your swing.
I'm sure you hear about making a big shoulder turn however there has to come a point were too much rotation makes it too difficult and inconsistent to make it repeatable.

There are drills you can do to reduce the over turn which should help. The problem with over rotating golfers is that a big turn feels powerful vs a turn which is the correct amount. Its difficult to reduce the over turn because you may feel you wont hit it as far. You still will however but more likely near the fairway more often. Difficult to make the mental adjustment




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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:39 pm

Denmeister wrote:
Hello Paul,

This is how my swing looks like on the course today. Wanna offer your comments?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh0jjiXK0G8 [/url]

Hi Dennis

It's coming along nicely mate. Just some quick pointers, ball position looks too far back in your stance. Still some old moves lingering around. Next time your in SG, pop into RCC and we can sort it out for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:05 am

Right_sided_coach wrote:
efoong wrote:
can help me see my swing???please give comment on my swing on how to improve it...thanks...
http://www.swingreader.com/video/view/J555Smef?embed=true

Hi efoong

Don't have too much time at the moment to give a full analysis but the pictures should show an obvious difference in your shaft position at the top of backswing and were your arms have ended up.

Simply put you have way too much turn and you turn too early in your swing.
I'm sure you hear about making a big shoulder turn however there has to come a point were too much rotation makes it too difficult and inconsistent to make it repeatable.

There are drills you can do to reduce the over turn which should help. The problem with over rotating golfers is that a big turn feels powerful vs a turn which is the correct amount. Its difficult to reduce the over turn because you may feel you wont hit it as far. You still will however but more likely near the fairway more often. Difficult to make the mental adjustment





Thanks pro,
maybe next time i will upload and seek for your help to reduce this over turn...
i heard of the shoulder turn but not sure how it works so end up become this swing...
thanks anyway...sry too noob and shy to let ppl see this video...
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:05 pm

Right_sided_coach wrote:
pushslice wrote:


PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles


I would also welcome the other pros here to contribute. I would love to know how they fix some of these faults. I'm always open to ideas and alternate ways to look at things.


I think it's very difficult to fix swing faults by video alone, without information on the ball flight or the details of the common faults (fat shots, thin shots) and the common misses.
It's not uncommon to see a golfer with something that looks wrong (strong grip / closed clubface at the top / ball position out of wack, you name it), but at impact they get it to where it needs to be and it works. Sometimes the old "if it's not broken, don't fix it" is the best solution.
It's often tempting to correct something that looks ugly, but unless that golfer has a significant amount of time to commit to a swing change or corrections, good intenetions can become an ugly thing in a hurry.

I've done it and I am sure that every swing coach has done somewhere along the learning process where I tried to change something that I didn't like the looks of, and before I knew it I made things more difficult than they needed to be and the golfer suddenly had struggles that they didn't have before we started. Sometimes to catastrophic proportions in which case you never see that student again.

My approach usually goes something like this:

Check the fundamentals, Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment and address any crucial errors that are a direct result of flaws in these areas. Sometimes video is necessary to help the student get it sometimes it is a much more simple fix.

Once the fundamentals are sound, I look at the crucial areas of Balance, Tension, and Tempo because no swing will work very well without these three essentials.

Once the fundamentals are sound, awareness of Balance, Tempo, and Tension are there, then majority of the corrections will be club face and swing path related because fixing these things should improve ball flight. I look at the ball flight knowing that it's important not to make assumptions based on ball flight alone, but also need to see what is happening at impact and what is causing these things to happen at impact. That is where things like video and launch monitor technology are valuable.

Also, golf is not all about being perfect at impact. For most golfers, turning gross clubface and swing path errors into, slight errors will dramatically improve their games.


Playing this game we really don't need perfect shots. We simply need shots that are good enough.

Good discussion all. Keep it up.


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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:37 am

Is an "overswing" a fundamental problem that should be corrected? Had tried to correct it but it very resistant.

The last bit of the overswing and slight reverse "c" motion when the back swing reaches the top feels very natural for me, and it is a crucial inflection point in my current tempo to help initiate the weight transfer and to achieve a hip-initiated down swing. If I don't "overswing", and try to do a half swing, I find that my swing becomes rigid, I tend to outside-in with arms starting the downswing (instead of hips).

Any advice?


punkrockpga wrote:
Right_sided_coach wrote:
pushslice wrote:


PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles


I would also welcome the other pros here to contribute. I would love to know how they fix some of these faults. I'm always open to ideas and alternate ways to look at things.


I think it's very difficult to fix swing faults by video alone, without information on the ball flight or the details of the common faults (fat shots, thin shots) and the common misses.
It's not uncommon to see a golfer with something that looks wrong (strong grip / closed clubface at the top / ball position out of wack, you name it), but at impact they get it to where it needs to be and it works. Sometimes the old "if it's not broken, don't fix it" is the best solution.
It's often tempting to correct something that looks ugly, but unless that golfer has a significant amount of time to commit to a swing change or corrections, good intenetions can become an ugly thing in a hurry.

I've done it and I am sure that every swing coach has done somewhere along the learning process where I tried to change something that I didn't like the looks of, and before I knew it I made things more difficult than they needed to be and the golfer suddenly had struggles that they didn't have before we started. Sometimes to catastrophic proportions in which case you never see that student again.

My approach usually goes something like this:

Check the fundamentals, Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment and address any crucial errors that are a direct result of flaws in these areas. Sometimes video is necessary to help the student get it sometimes it is a much more simple fix.

Once the fundamentals are sound, I look at the crucial areas of Balance, Tension, and Tempo because no swing will work very well without these three essentials.

Once the fundamentals are sound, awareness of Balance, Tempo, and Tension are there, then majority of the corrections will be club face and swing path related because fixing these things should improve ball flight. I look at the ball flight knowing that it's important not to make assumptions based on ball flight alone, but also need to see what is happening at impact and what is causing these things to happen at impact. That is where things like video and launch monitor technology are valuable.

Also, golf is not all about being perfect at impact. For most golfers, turning gross clubface and swing path errors into, slight errors will dramatically improve their games.


Playing this game we really don't need perfect shots. We simply need shots that are good enough.

Good discussion all. Keep it up.


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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:44 pm

This is the musings of an avid enthusiast wishing to share, definitely not a pro, I must first qualify.

Hmm... club shaft well past parallel at the top of the backswing, slight reverse C sound really familiar to me. Then I recall where I saw it. Take a look.



Is that a slight reverse C I see in the iron below?



Your question itself may contain some clues.

Overswinging, ie. club shaft crossing the parallel at the top of the backswing, is part of your swing procedure, and you stated that you use it together with the slight reverse C as an 'inflection point.'

That would suggest, if you remove the overswinging, you need to find another inflection point. In other words, if you remove the overswinging, you need to change the swing. Simply stopping the club at parallel itself won't do the job. Whether stopping at parallel or going below parallel, these elements belong to two quite different swing procedures. The two are quite different swings. That's why you find 'it is quite resistant' when you try to change it. You have to change the entire swing to be compatible with the element of stopping at parallel.

From a preview of PGA pro swing videos, we can find examples of both. So, safe to say, one can be successful with either type. Different swing procedures with different inflection point as you put it.

Tiger, for example, believes nothing good happens when the club goes past parallel.

Freddy Couples, on the other hand, states in his swing video that he must take his club past parallel, and across the line even, in order for his swing to work.

More examples below of those who take it past parallel.

Just me sharing.

Peace.



buweeza wrote:
Is an "overswing" a fundamental problem that should be corrected? Had tried to correct it but it very resistant.

The last bit of the overswing and slight reverse "c" motion when the back swing reaches the top feels very natural for me, and it is a crucial inflection point in my current tempo to help initiate the weight transfer and to achieve a hip-initiated down swing. If I don't "overswing", and try to do a half swing, I find that my swing becomes rigid, I tend to outside-in with arms starting the downswing (instead of hips).

Any advice?


punkrockpga wrote:
Right_sided_coach wrote:
pushslice wrote:


PS: I'd love to ask for other pros (non RSS) to chime in with their analysis on the submitted videos too. Think this thread was not meant only for RSS, eventhough Paul did started it (thanks...). We'll all benefit from the discussions/multiple angles


I would also welcome the other pros here to contribute. I would love to know how they fix some of these faults. I'm always open to ideas and alternate ways to look at things.


I think it's very difficult to fix swing faults by video alone, without information on the ball flight or the details of the common faults (fat shots, thin shots) and the common misses.
It's not uncommon to see a golfer with something that looks wrong (strong grip / closed clubface at the top / ball position out of wack, you name it), but at impact they get it to where it needs to be and it works. Sometimes the old "if it's not broken, don't fix it" is the best solution.
It's often tempting to correct something that looks ugly, but unless that golfer has a significant amount of time to commit to a swing change or corrections, good intenetions can become an ugly thing in a hurry.

I've done it and I am sure that every swing coach has done somewhere along the learning process where I tried to change something that I didn't like the looks of, and before I knew it I made things more difficult than they needed to be and the golfer suddenly had struggles that they didn't have before we started. Sometimes to catastrophic proportions in which case you never see that student again.

My approach usually goes something like this:

Check the fundamentals, Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment and address any crucial errors that are a direct result of flaws in these areas. Sometimes video is necessary to help the student get it sometimes it is a much more simple fix.

Once the fundamentals are sound, I look at the crucial areas of Balance, Tension, and Tempo because no swing will work very well without these three essentials.

Once the fundamentals are sound, awareness of Balance, Tempo, and Tension are there, then majority of the corrections will be club face and swing path related because fixing these things should improve ball flight. I look at the ball flight knowing that it's important not to make assumptions based on ball flight alone, but also need to see what is happening at impact and what is causing these things to happen at impact. That is where things like video and launch monitor technology are valuable.

Also, golf is not all about being perfect at impact. For most golfers, turning gross clubface and swing path errors into, slight errors will dramatically improve their games.


Playing this game we really don't need perfect shots. We simply need shots that are good enough.

Good discussion all. Keep it up.

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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:51 am

These past few months have gradually become more and more right sided/ stack&tilt due to the better compression it allows ... below is a 7I swing ... ~160m ... push draw ~15-20m

Primary observation seems to be over swinging a touch ending up across the line .. would love for more feedback ...



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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:37 am

after going for lessons, im still having this overswing problem. it is damn difficult to correct. keeping tab on this thread and hope to discover a cure"".
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PostSubject: Re: Ask the Pro - Post your swing videos   Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:55 pm

Hi Tourswing

From a RSS perspective, you are starting with no spine and shoulder tilt which creates the wrong grip and arms.

You also turn excessively which is what gives you the "across the line" you have identified.
The picture shows an over rotation of the shoulders, also causing the left leg to collapse in. You are not creating any "coil" which is a big component of distance through leverage. Turn is different to coil


Quite evident here how much over turning you have. Look at the legs. The arms are way too far behind you, club across the line.



I suggest you fix your set up and reduce the turning. I will post a before and after when time permits of a student who I corrected with the same problem.
Hope it helps
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