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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:36 pm

Oh yeah. they were all fitted to me!
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:36 pm

wilkang wrote:
I've had the pleasure of being fitted for an Edel putter with Wizgolf
and using it for the past few games. I'm still trying to get the hang of
it since switching from Nike Method.
Am slowly improving on my putting as i game more with Edel putter.

The fitting process is an interesting one despite the time required. From set-up, natural aim,
head, weight, shaft and grip. Switching from part to part, adding
weights till i achieve the desired dispersion.

Now that is done, i was invited for a putting session with SAM & Brett.

"The first foot is the most important for putting"



This amongst many other teachings from Brett stuck in my head after the SAM session.
From the stats generated about my putting stroke, i am able to understand how i am rolling the putt and my stroke.

And you would think i am done...not yet. Laughing Laughing
Next one coming up will be aimpoint and i am looking forward to it.

Like what i have been told that putting is a game by itself, i am now starting to understand better, learn and hopefully master the art of putting.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

wow..good to hear this...

Brett had also point out my alignment and wanted me to do the 'First Foot' thing and it has help me a lot in my putting alignment...

the 4 main area for edel fitting process focus on Alignment, Stroke, Speed and Green Reading, and how factors such as head shape, loft, lie, length, weight (both butt and head weight), shaft flex etc could affect these 4 main areas.

It would be very interesting to see how the fitting process can be integrated with SAM and even some teaching methodology from pros.

after say so much....i have to confess, i did not own any ZEN or Edel...sigh !! Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:29 pm

From the above, its obvious that different people have different ways of approaching the game. Some stick to a certain routine, while others like me, generally have no pre putt routine. I use to have a routine which i follow, which resulted me in stand over the ball too long and thinking whether i will pull or push the putt. So after a long talk in the HOZ with DGMan, things have change drastically. Nowadays, I just place my ball, place my putter and go.... results.. are far much more better. IT had easily reduced the number of putts per round for me, for now, i think my putting has reduce 5-6 putts per round. But bear in mind guys, sometimes, when you ball dun go where is suppose to go, it may not be your putting stroke but a wrong read of the line (thats what i always tell myself). So now, with the help of DGman's putting knowledge plus the idiot proof ZEN ZIM, its just make things so much easier. That's a area of my game that have improved quite a bit for the last few months.

But the real test will come this weekend as i visit my old play ground, WGCC.

It will be a tough weekend for me, FRiday TMCC, Sat WGCC, Sun NSRCC...... But who is complaining... hehhhe Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:07 pm

Duff, Envious....
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:12 pm

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It will be a tough weekend for me, FRiday TMCC, Sat WGCC, Sun NSRCC...... But who is complaining... hehhhe Smile

ME!!! Becos you never give me strokes after such intensive training! Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:15 pm

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duffader wrote:
It will be a tough weekend for me, FRiday TMCC, Sat WGCC, Sun NSRCC...... But who is complaining... hehhhe Smile

ME!!! Becos you never give me strokes after such intensive training! Evil or Very Mad

Its not training lah... its just Keeping my industry people company on friday, keeping my family company on Sat and building the relationship with my GR mates on Sunday..... its a tough life... but who;s complaining.. hahahhaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:19 pm

Oh ya, it's not training - using the wrong word. It's building up funds Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:22 pm

jimmychoo wrote:
Oh ya, it's not training - using the wrong word. It's building up funds Laughing

How to bet with your customers??? And how to bet with your Family??? but with GR mates.... its a must to up eveybody's concentration. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:30 pm

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From the above, its obvious that different people have different ways of approaching the game. Some stick to a certain routine, while others like me, generally have no pre putt routine. I use to have a routine which i follow, which resulted me in stand over the ball too long and thinking whether i will pull or push the putt. So after a long talk in the HOZ with DGMan, things have change drastically. Nowadays, I just place my ball, place my putter and go.... results.. are far much more better. IT had easily reduced the number of putts per round for me, for now, i think my putting has reduce 5-6 putts per round. But bear in mind guys, sometimes, when you ball dun go where is suppose to go, it may not be your putting stroke but a wrong read of the line (thats what i always tell myself). So now, with the help of DGman's putting knowledge plus the idiot proof ZEN ZIM, its just make things so much easier. That's a area of my game that have improved quite a bit for the last few months.

But the real test will come this weekend as i visit my old play ground, WGCC.

It will be a tough weekend for me, FRiday TMCC, Sat WGCC, Sun NSRCC...... But who is complaining... hehhhe Smile

ops !!..paiseh, me bad

the one that I have mentioned about Alignment, Stroke, Speed and Green reading and the factor involve such as head shape, lie, loft, length, weight, shaft flex, etc etc...these are part of the fitting process, not so much on the routine aspect.

However, personally, i felt it's is a good practise to have some form of good routine to fall on to, becasue that is something that you always practise on green, something that you felt comfortable with.

I totally agree that there is no way you can address the ball and start having all these stuff running thru your head before you take your putt, but to have it at the back of your mind that all these are taken care of when you get your putter fitted....hopfully i can clarified that...keke
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:36 pm

Oh, i was assuming that the "the first step" was something to do with the routine? No?

Once you get the confidence of the putting stroke, i think most putter head shape will not affect you that much as long as the user is comfortable with it. I think its more to do with the "6 inches". As long as there is someone that you respect and come over and tell you... "hey, i dun think a mallet suit you", i can assure you that the next game you have, you will have some problems with the putting with the mallet that you have been using over the last few years if that thought is lingering in your head. Thats why poor golfers improve faster cos they make do with whatever they have, without the luxury of having so much equipment, while the rich golfers, already have problem before the game begins... "hmmm.. which set and putter should i use today..."
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:42 pm

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Oh, i was assuming that the "the first step" was something to do with the routine? No?

ops....keke, ok ok...heng ar, i thot i write something that is misleading...haha !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:56 pm

Duff...wtf?...you're going to WGC to play? i thought you were saving it for me....i no longer feel special....

btw, i would truly listen to duffy's advice on putting....i've only seen it at the den on 2 occasions but his putting stroke is a thing of beauty, holing putt after putt after putt consecutively...though i suspect that half of it is because he's memorised the break there as well...haha
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:05 pm

Why they say line reading comes with years of the game? Because newbies like me and others read too much into the line that when we setup, we still think whether is inner cup or 1 ball outside, then we start to adjust, that's where the problem comes, at least for me. So like my irons, I just go up, stand and hit. DGman told me before, a good putt is not when the ball goes into the cup but when ur strength and your intended line is correct. So with that mentality is there, confidence will slowly build up. Give it a try guys... That's the how the HOZ cultivate the art of winning..... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:23 pm

Duffy!!!!!! That is the sacred level 18 skill of the ZEN putting manual.
There goes our element of surprise.
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:42 pm

asahi wrote:
Duffy!!!!!! That is the sacred level 18 skill of the ZEN putting manual.
There goes our element of surprise.

hahahha.. just like to share what have worked for me lah.... btw, i yet to have a game with you leh... when huh???
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:00 pm

duffader wrote:
asahi wrote:
Duffy!!!!!! That is the sacred level 18 skill of the ZEN putting manual.
There goes our element of surprise.

hahahha.. just like to share what have worked for me lah.... btw, i yet to have a game with you leh... when huh???

No

Haha.....after my HCM trip bah. Lemme go mountains training first.
Hehe
Maybe do Kranji weekday afternoon bah.
Coz weekend too ex lah.



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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:27 pm

"The first foot is the most important for putting"




Hi bro Wil, can elaborate on this?? Izzit the "follow through" you are talking abt?
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:48 pm

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"The first foot is the most important for putting"




Hi bro Wil, can elaborate on this?? Izzit the "follow through" you are talking abt?

Yo coastguy, its not me.. the guys that went to wizgolf said that they were thought this. Seriously, i dunno what is it, but i guess its the routine in approaching the putting
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:49 pm

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wilkang wrote:
I've had the pleasure of being fitted for an Edel putter with Wizgolf
and using it for the past few games. I'm still trying to get the hang of
it since switching from Nike Method.
Am slowly improving on my putting as i game more with Edel putter.

The fitting process is an interesting one despite the time required. From set-up, natural aim,
head, weight, shaft and grip. Switching from part to part, adding
weights till i achieve the desired dispersion.

Now that is done, i was invited for a putting session with SAM & Brett.

"The first foot is the most important for putting"



This amongst many other teachings from Brett stuck in my head after the SAM session.
From the stats generated about my putting stroke, i am able to understand how i am rolling the putt and my stroke.

And you would think i am done...not yet. Laughing Laughing
Next one coming up will be aimpoint and i am looking forward to it.

Like what i have been told that putting is a game by itself, i am now starting to understand better, learn and hopefully master the art of putting.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

wow..good to hear this...

Brett had also point out my alignment and wanted me to do the 'First Foot' thing and it has help me a lot in my putting alignment...

the 4 main area for edel fitting process focus on Alignment, Stroke, Speed and Green Reading, and how factors such as head shape, loft, lie, length, weight (both butt and head weight), shaft flex etc could affect these 4 main areas.

It would be very interesting to see how the fitting process can be integrated with SAM and even some teaching methodology from pros.

after say so much....i have to confess, i did not own any ZEN or Edel...sigh !! Sad



Golf_snowman, care to share on this 'First Foot" thing? Question
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:13 pm

Hi CG..it refers to the first foot of the line of putt.
A good read on the line but without a good start to the first foot will result in the ball not travelling along the intended line.

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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:31 pm

wilkang wrote:
Hi CG..it refers to the first foot of the line of putt.
A good read on the line but without a good start to the first foot will result in the ball not travelling along the intended line.


Does that mean that the follow through for the first foot must be along the intended line too?
Or we should concentrate more on the ball passing the first foot of our intended line?
Sorry just like to make sure, cos now putting also like sh%# pale
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:39 pm

CG..focus on the ball passing the first foot.


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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:47 pm

Tks bro, will start to work on that... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:10 am

duffader wrote:
CoastGuy wrote:
"The first foot is the most important for putting"




Hi bro Wil, can elaborate on this?? Izzit the "follow through" you are talking abt?

Yo coastguy, its not me.. the guys that went to wizgolf said that they were thought this. Seriously, i dunno what is it, but i guess its the routine in approaching the putting

bro, i would need to correct your statement.

The first foot is not taught in WIzGolf. We learnt that from Brett in NSRCC, and at least I would say, both me and wilkang find it useful, especially in terms of alignment.

Hope i have clarify this portion
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PostSubject: Re: Zen vs Edel Putters   Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:16 am

Oh, sorry. I thought Brett from wizgolf. I think the first foot is so critical cos most putters can't might just skid through the first foot.
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