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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:47 pm

Oh and Eric, FYI I do have one of those mental-thingy books by SW called 'Golf at the Top with Steve Williams'. A collaboration with Hugh De Lacy. Foreworded by TW himself.








Its absolutely $hit by the way. Its just thick enuff to stuff it under one of my tables so that it doesn't rock.

Was a mental thing alright. What was I thinking buying that POS?

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:12 pm

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Of course I know that there are differences in a great caddy mate. However, when a caddy starts thinking that they are more impt than they really are, then thats the part where its crossing the mark.

If he was retiring and rich, he shd have considered heading back to race cars after TW let him go. Why go on and hook up with Adam?

Look at Fluff. After he got too famous for himself and he tried to cash in on it, TW also let him go. Instead of hee-ing and haw-ing about it, he now has a decent boss in the likes of Jim Furyk (not this year though and god almighty has gone with the Broomstick too).

There will always be many opinions to go on about it. Let's just put it as agree to disagree. I personally was pretty impartial to him even after all the camera throwing and fan abusing the last time but this week made me just turn away in disgust.

Here is the transcript. Take note of Q 3 and 4. He has won 145 tournaments btw. More than Sam Snead if you asked. Rolling Eyes

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/blogs/local-knowledge/2011/08/steve-williams-its-the-greatest-week-of-my-life.html

And FYI, I watched his interview then I saw Adam's one. Whichever way 1st, he is probably the only caddy I know that has ever held a press conference.

And Shaggy, we dun appreciate ppl polluting the forum with 1 or 2 sentence postings just to clock 20 and post in the marketplace. I also think I wun be interested in any of your items.

Yup, I am not condoning his actions, just offering another view...

The diffence between Fluff and Steve was Earl!. The same as Michelle Wie, the early part of Tigers career Dad made all the decsions. I met them at Presidents cup in Melbourne and Tiger could hit the ball, but Earl said in what direction. He would have been the catalyst for that break up.

For all intensive purposes the caddy is like a Jockey, The Horse runs the race, but who interviews the Horse... the caddy is an intergral part of the game.

I believe Steve only hung around with Adam to rub Tigers nose in it, pure and simple, he was s**t on so he is going to get his own back.. That also is human nature and I can relate...

BTW I also have that same book and you are right it is C**P! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:08 pm

but I'm more interested in ... when is shaggy putting up his WTS?
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:34 pm

Hey ZX



Didn't know you were part of the NDP.

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:44 pm

S70B wrote:
Hey ZX



Didn't know you were part of the NDP.
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:38 pm

S70B wrote:
Of course I know that there are differences in a great caddy mate. However, when a caddy starts thinking that they are more impt than they really are, then thats the part where its crossing the mark.

If he was retiring and rich, he shd have considered heading back to race cars after TW let him go. Why go on and hook up with Adam?

Look at Fluff. After he got too famous for himself and he tried to cash in on it, TW also let him go. Instead of hee-ing and haw-ing about it, he now has a decent boss in the likes of Jim Furyk (not this year though and god almighty has gone with the Broomstick too).

There will always be many opinions to go on about it. Let's just put it as agree to disagree. I personally was pretty impartial to him even after all the camera throwing and fan abusing the last time but this week made me just turn away in disgust.

Here is the transcript. Take note of Q 3 and 4. He has won 145 tournaments btw. More than Sam Snead if you asked. Rolling Eyes

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/blogs/local-knowledge/2011/08/steve-williams-its-the-greatest-week-of-my-life.html

And FYI, I watched his interview then I saw Adam's one. Whichever way 1st, he is probably the only caddy I know that has ever held a press conference.

And Shaggy, we dun appreciate ppl polluting the forum with 1 or 2 sentence postings just to clock 20 and post in the marketplace. I also think I wun be interested in any of your items.


S70b....Dude.....Not everyone who post here need to do so with long postings. Don't hang here often, but when I do, will post every now and then. You don't seem to take kindly to people who do nor welcome them.
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:46 pm

Its interesting to see how within half an hour, the majority of the list of latest topics seem to suddenly be perpetuated with 1 or 2 liners from you.

Been a member since last year and suddenly felt a need to post in 9 or 10 random threads from 4.28 to 5.03pm? Even our post-leader will find it hard to catch up.

I rest my case.

On a side note, you are not the 1st and certainly not the last. This modus operandi is nothing new.


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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:39 pm

Back on Topic:

Guess most were right after all

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-ex-caddy-steve-williams-says-his-comments-were-over-the-top-080811

Williams says he was 'over the top'

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Steve Williams acknowledged his reaction to Adam Scott’s victory at the Bridgestone Invitational on Sunday was “a bit over the top.”

A day later, the caddie had had time to reflect on a media performance calculated to embarrass his ex-boss, Tiger Woods, and that was criticized by many who felt Williams overshadowed Scott’s achievement.

“Looking back on it, I was a bit over the top,” he told FOXSports.com from Atlanta, where he and Scott were preparing for this week’s PGA Championship.

“I had a lot of anger in me about what happened (with Woods) and it all came out.”

After Scott won, Williams called it “the most satisfying win of my career,” which includes 13 major championships among 72 victories worldwide with Woods during their 12 years together.

He also disputed Woods’ version of how he was fired. Woods said he’d done in face-to-face while Williams said it was done callously over the phone.

But on Monday the New Zealander put an end to the public spat.

“I said what I said but I’m not going to say any more about Tiger,” he said.

A day later, the caddie had had time to reflect on a media performance calculated to embarrass his ex-boss, Tiger Woods, and that was criticized by many who felt Williams overshadowed Scott’s achievement.

“Looking back on it, I was a bit over the top,” he told FOXSports.com from Atlanta, where he and Scott were preparing for this week’s PGA Championship.

“I had a lot of anger in me about what happened (with Woods) and it all came out.”

After Scott won, Williams called it “the most satisfying win of my career,” which includes 13 major championships among 72 victories worldwide with Woods during their 12 years together.

He also disputed Woods’ version of how he was fired. Woods said he’d done in face-to-face while Williams said it was done callously over the phone.

But on Monday the New Zealander put an end to the public spat.

“I said what I said but I’m not going to say any more about Tiger,” he said.


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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:45 pm

And the man TW still stayed loyal to had to do his job too:

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-agent-says-stevie-williams-claim-of-phone-firing-is-ludicrous-080811

Agent says Williams claim is phony

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At Firestone, the Tiger Woods-Steve Williams breakup took a turn into acrimony. With 13 major championships among their 73 victories in 12 seasons, the pairing was one of the most successful in golf. But the relationship ended amid finger-pointing and escalating tensions of who said what and when.

The backstory: Williams flew from New Zealand to the U.S. planning to caddie for Woods at the U.S. Open at Congressional. Shortly after he landed in Los Angeles on June 8, Williams learned that Woods, recuperating from an injured left leg, already had withdrawn. So friend Adam Scott dialed up Williams, asking whether he’d work the U.S. Open. Williams says he initially asked for, and received, permission from Woods. The Woods camp reconsidered a couple of days later; Williams chose to keep his commitment to Scott. Scott missed the cut.

By the AT&T National in late June, Woods, according to Williams, phoned Williams and told him it was “time for a change.”

Said Williams, “In caddie lingo, that means you’re fired. Simple as that.”

But Woods, 35, said he fired Williams, 47, during a private meeting July 3, at the final round of the AT&T.

“It was a tough conversation,” Woods told reporters Aug. 2, “but we said what we needed to say to each other face to face and man to man.”

Williams said he’d already been fired via phone; he said the July 3 face-to-face meeting at Aronimink was to discuss reasons for the firing, chief among them that Woods thought Williams was being disloyal.

The “he said/he said” situation boiled over in the aftermath of Scott’s victory Sunday at the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational, which Williams termed “the most satisfying win” of his 33-year career. “It’s the greatest week of my life,” he said.

Bigger than those 13 major titles that he and Woods piled up during one of golf’s most dominant runs, apparently.

The following morning, Woods’ longtime agent, Mark Steinberg, fired back: “I’m stunned I’ve had to talk about this situation last night and today after Adam Scott’s good win,” he told Golfweek. “I feel sorry for Adam. But I’m tired of (Woods) taking shots for two years. When someone says something patently false, I feel the need to speak up. To say he (Williams) didn’t get fired face-to-face is ludicrous and tiring.”

Steinberg said Woods was at the AT&T National on Tuesday-Wednesday (June 27-28), flew home to Florida, and then returned to Philadelphia just so he could talk with Williams in person.

“Had he not gone to talk with Steve,” said Steinberg, “there would have been no reason for him to be there Sunday.”

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:20 am

I still think that Golf is an individual sport....and should remain that way....exclude the team tourneys of coz....

Not sure if its the media but whats next.

first was.....Coach.....

then, .....there were the shrinks...

and now.....Caddy..

so wats next....Great fan...and great cameraman..to bring the best out of a golfer....

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:17 pm

Just sharing....as I think PaulA put it in the most applicable way:



"The old joke is when the player plays good the caddie says, 'we,' " Azinger explained. "But when the player plays bad, the caddie says 'he.' In this case the player played great and the caddie said 'I.' "



ok....now you can guess who was he referring to?
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:20 pm

sorry...I am on a roll....


Now Tag removed Tiger..." Swiss watchmaker Tag Heuer says it's ended its 10-year commercial relationship with Tiger Woods and hopes he can "overcome his difficulties. "


If Tiger does win the PGA tourney, he mite just say ' this is the best time ....coz I can tell when I wear my Omega '....or some other crap which he can learn to pick up fm SW'
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:21 pm

Duval_S wrote:
Just sharing....as I think PaulA put it in the most applicable way:



"The old joke is when the player plays good the caddie says, 'we,' " Azinger explained. "But when the player plays bad, the caddie says 'he.' In this case the player played great and the caddie said 'I.' "



ok....now you can guess who was he referring to?

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:40 am

Thongchai's old caddie once told me...

when your player is doing well...the golf bag is very light.

when your player is not doing well...the golf bag is damn heavy.

for the record, they parted ways at the end of last year. he was instrumental in helping TJ do well cos he is the only one who can help TJ relax and focus on his game. looking at TJ's performance this year, maybe TJ's wife and manager should have stuck to the agreed % of winning. moral of story - player and caddie are a team, both parties should understand and appreciate that.

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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:12 am

Did you guys notice Tiger does not use the Kiwi headcover for his FW #3 anymore? This is due to the obvious ... SW! You can try to obsserve it again during the PGA Championship come tomorrow where he will be teeing off with Davis Love and Paddy at about 8.30AM (US time).
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:20 am

Player/Caddy is no different from any other employer/employee relationship, when making good profit and in good term, both act like good buddy and will die for each other. But once biz & profit is down and out, both will start to point finger at each other. That's the reality of life... Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Steve, have you forgotten how you got to where you are?   Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:33 pm

gomjgo wrote:
Player/Caddy is no different from any other employer/employee relationship, when making good profit and in good term, both act like good buddy and will die for each other. But once biz & profit is down and out, both will start to point finger at each other. That's the reality of life... Sad

I disagree. I don't think that it's employer/employee. I think it's more a partnership with the golfer carrying lion share. I don't think a professional golfer would really blame his caddy if things go wrong.

Both golfer and caddy go into the game together, but really it's the golfer who makes it or breaks it. I don't think I would say that the employer (as in your analogy) makes it or breaks it... in reality, it's often the other way around.

On a separate issue, I remember when Steve dropped Tiger's 9i into the pond... I don't think Tiger went ballistic (in public) but that sort of carelessness warrants termination in an employment scenario Smile

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