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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:50 pm

Bro Ant,

Am no pro and know nothing about club fitting but just wanted to share a story of myself. A kind Indonesia friend invisited me to his house and try out his personal Trackman.

All along, I though I was swinging from the inside and confused why still have allot of fade, pull or pull slice. Through the Trackman, I realized that I am swinging about -1.5 from the out to in path .. I trying to get the feel of swinging in .. after 15 mins, I swing 0 to + 0.5 from inside and the ball flight look much better .. Hoping to keep that feeling from now on.

You manage to play mid 80 to low 90. Your shots should be rather consistent. Good idea, to see a club fitter to look at your equipment 1st.

If you still have problem with your custom fit club then at least you knew it is not your arrow but rather the Indian. That is the time to see a coach if you are serious about improving your game... just my 2 cents
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:57 pm

Tituman wrote:
Ant wrote:
4dtoto wrote:
Yes Cobra !

@Ant, just wondering, how is your game and what are you actually looking for ? You may want to let us know what type of sets you are using and facing any problems.

or is it more for knowledge sharing as in curious about the term Swing analysis and how club fitter or Pro go about ...

Shooting mid 80s to low 90s most of the time. Driver distance not an issue though if can be longer would be great. The irons are killing me... 7 iron is 120m or sometime less though dispersion is still acceptable. Already using NSpro 850. Check on internet, average is about 130-140? Either power leak somewhere or shaft is wrong... dun know.... Had to rely on utility wood to try get on green for 2nd shot most of the time for par 4. Been advise the option to do swing analysis or a coach - never use a coach in my life as golf is a social game but recently getting more interest trying to lower the score. Anyone has a good coach to recommend, please do.

Maybe getting older liao..... but I get older golfers hitting longer distance than me just last week at MBCC !!


Btw way: 1 year back, 7 irons was 150m... no problem... driver distance - no change... so what change? scratch scratch

Ant, if you tell me 1 year ago your 7 iron was doing 150m and now just 120m. Its kind of hard to apprehend how that happened unless your measurement of distance was too liberal in the sense that 130-140m you take it as 150m OR you have suffered a great calamity like a stroke which rendered your arm less than normal. Its just unacceptable to me and any other guys here. scratch scratch Moreover, if you were hitting it 150m 1 year ago and you were scoring mid 80s to low 90s, what are you scoring now when your 7 iron now just 120m? If you are still scoring 80s and low 90s, then sorry I tend to think you don't know what you are talking about as you did not mentioned that during this past year you have improved tremendously in your short game thus your average score remains somewhat the same even with your reduced distance of your 7 iron. If 7 iron dropped by 20-30m, then other irons will dropped relatively in distance too. So which is which? I am really confused..... scratch No No

titu

Hi Tituman,

Thanks for your comments.

Lucky no stoke for me though I did had chest pain once but an angiogram by my cardio confirm all clear.. Very Happy He said probably due to stress - yeah likely stresses from not being able to hit 150m with my 7 iron. ROFL Yes, a year ago, though my 7 iron was 150m or sometime even more, score was about mid 90s (??) and dispersion was not as tight as today. The flag marker at JCC driving range cannot be wrong. I laser it before. I forgot to mentioned I did re-shaft my irons from graphite to steel but it should drop by 1 club only & not so drastic.

Yes, my short game improved a lot especially around the green and putting also did help to bring the score down. So not strange that I am able to play mid 80s - 90s leveraging on my short games. Been playing for almost 12 years... almost at least a game a week. I know I am losing power somewhere - except I don't know where. But strangely my driver is still acceptable (to me) - consistently 180-200m. If I get a good shot, 220m (straight) is not an issue...

Btw - I welcome a game with anyone who can help to verify what the heck did I did wrong in my swing? Swing Thanks again for the comments and suggestions. I welcome them..! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:07 pm

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Bro Ant,

Am no pro and know nothing about club fitting but just wanted to share a story of myself. A kind Indonesia friend invisited me to his house and try out his personal Trackman.

All along, I though I was swinging from the inside and confused why still have allot of fade, pull or pull slice. Through the Trackman, I realized that I am swinging about -1.5 from the out to in path .. I trying to get the feel of swinging in .. after 15 mins, I swing 0 to + 0.5 from inside and the ball flight look much better .. Hoping to keep that feeling from now on.

You manage to play mid 80 to low 90. Your shots should be rather consistent. Good idea, to see a club fitter to look at your equipment 1st.

If you still have problem with your custom fit club then at least you knew it is not your arrow but rather the Indian. That is the time to see a coach if you are serious about improving your game... just my 2 cents

Thanks... I was hoping both - Indian and the arrow.... at least got some hope.. but if Indian only.. alamak... .......maybe age catching up with me.. but then again, that does not explain why my driver shot is average 180-200 and fairly consistent. In fact I can still out drive my younger kaki on my Sunday game...... but the irons just sucks....! They just laugh when I am using a 5 iron and they are using a 9 or 8 irons for a par 3.... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:11 pm

Ant wrote:

Hi Tituman,

Thanks for your comments.

Lucky no stoke for me though I did had chest pain once but an angiogram by my cardio confirm all clear.. Very Happy He said probably due to stress - yeah likely stresses from not being able to hit 150m with my 7 iron. ROFL Yes, a year ago, though my 7 iron was 150m or sometime even more, score was about mid 90s (??) and dispersion was not as tight as today. The flag marker at JCC driving range cannot be wrong. I laser it before. I forgot to mentioned I did re-shaft my irons from graphite to steel but it should drop by 1 club only & not so drastic.

Yes, my short game improved a lot especially around the green and putting also did help to bring the score down. So not strange that I am able to play mid 80s - 90s leveraging on my short games. Been playing for almost 12 years... almost at least a game a week. I know I am losing power somewhere - except I don't know where. But strangely my driver is still acceptable (to me) - consistently 180-200m. If I get a good shot, 220m (straight) is not an issue...

Btw - I welcome a game with anyone who can help to verify what the heck did I did wrong in my swing? Swing Thanks again for the comments and suggestions. I welcome them..! cheers

Ah, then the puzzle becomes clearer. It's not your swing. It's the shaft.

You used to be able to load the graphite shaft in your irons.

You are not loading the steel shaft in your irons now, compared to your graphite shaft previously. Dispersion will tighten, but distance will drop.

So, you did not lose power with the iron. You took on a steel shaft that is too heavy/stiff for your swing to load the shaft effectively.

Would make sense to go to lighter steel shaft with a softer flex, or go back to the graphite shafts.

Driver distance remains unchanged probably because you did not change the shaft, or if you did, you can still handle the flex and weight.

Peace.
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:32 pm

Remember Paul's post about his student who wants to hit it longer than his friend. he don't care if his driver is straighter and his irons are sharper. he just want to hit it longer (than his friend). in the end the golfer got his money back and i am sure he is still hitting shorter than his friend. If the golfer has outlined the objective to his coach-to-be, i am sure he will find out that Rome was not built in a day.

the morale of the story is before you take 3 steps ahead, you need to take a step back. however Paul and a lot of golf professionals out there face the same problem, golfers are not prepared to go through training and get better but they seek quick fix. permanent solution is not just technique but include physical workouts and drills that are important to gel everything together.

A quick fix like patching a leaking pail will only delay the outcome, not resolved the drip. Until the player has a decent swing, it's not an objective exercise to get fitted. i will be happier if these golfers go out and buy ready clubs. we will read reviews of new products and if we believe that new clubs will help correct a bad stroke into a positive outcome, then its wishful thinking. at the end of the day you still need good instructions, training and sound fundamental.

finally i have the good fortune of working alongside Nick Middleton with a European Tour player. it has taken 8 months up to now with several top finishes including (i think) two 2nd place finishings. for most of us, it feels like the player cannot seal the deal but its not what it seems. there is no provision for a win this year, just finish as good as the situation allow and finish more often in those positions. if we watch how some players came in 2nd and never do as well ever again, it shows that one needs a lot of resilient and clear minded to be able to truly comprehend the art of winning.

the player can now understand why he failed when he fails, he knows how to recover from a bad shot, he knows why his putt did not fall and he can get past the ghost that used to haunt him...haha its a bit deep or may even sound silly...when you miss a putt and pass the blame to the putter its even more ridiculous.

as for all the other aspects of finding the perfect clubs i am sure we have covered many on them including what is club fitting, etc.

last but not least, if you have to go for an operation to remove a tumour, would you trust the advice given on a forum or would you go and see a specialist thats proven.

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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:44 pm

I would seek a circle of friends (forum) knowledgeable about surgeons to discuss which specialist is proven in order to choose one.

But then again, perhaps I am reading between the lines too much, but it sounds like possibly a certain gentleman has sought out the advice of a club fitter perhaps, and then opted not to act on the advice?

Just thinking out loud.

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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:55 pm


Hi Tituman,

Thanks for your comments.

Lucky no stoke for me though I did had chest pain once but an angiogram by my cardio confirm all clear.. Very Happy He said probably due to stress - yeah likely stresses from not being able to hit 150m with my 7 iron. ROFL Yes, a year ago, though my 7 iron was 150m or sometime even more, score was about mid 90s (??) and dispersion was not as tight as today. The flag marker at JCC driving range cannot be wrong. I laser it before. I forgot to mentioned I did re-shaft my irons from graphite to steel but it should drop by 1 club only & not so drastic.

Yes, my short game improved a lot especially around the green and putting also did help to bring the score down. So not strange that I am able to play mid 80s - 90s leveraging on my short games. Been playing for almost 12 years... almost at least a game a week. I know I am losing power somewhere - except I don't know where. But strangely my driver is still acceptable (to me) - consistently 180-200m. If I get a good shot, 220m (straight) is not an issue...

Btw - I welcome a game with anyone who can help to verify what the heck did I did wrong in my swing? Swing Thanks again for the comments and suggestions. I welcome them..! cheers [/quote]

Hi Ant, I would love to have a game with you though now after my recent stroke attack, I am not sure when I could get back to the course yet. I usually play in the low to high 90s but with my stroke, I am not sure now. Will call you up once I am ready. Does that sounds like a plan for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:02 pm

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Thanks... I was hoping both - Indian and the arrow.... at least got some hope.. but if Indian only.. alamak... .......maybe age catching up with me.. but then again, that does not explain why my driver shot is average 180-200 and fairly consistent. In fact I can still out drive my younger kaki on my Sunday game...... but the irons just sucks....! They just laugh when I am using a 5 iron and they are using a 9 or 8 irons for a par 3.... Shocked

Bro,

I can't help to notice that you have mention number of time that maybe because your age in catching up. May I know how young are you ? I do not think you are younger then me Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:56 pm

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Ant wrote:


Thanks... I was hoping both - Indian and the arrow.... at least got some hope.. but if Indian only.. alamak... .......maybe age catching up with me.. but then again, that does not explain why my driver shot is average 180-200 and fairly consistent. In fact I can still out drive my younger kaki on my Sunday game...... but the irons just sucks....! They just laugh when I am using a 5 iron and they are using a 9 or 8 irons for a par 3.... Shocked

Bro,

I can't help to notice that you have mention number of time that maybe because your age in catching up. May I know how young are you ? I do not think you are younger then me Smile

Gor kee boh chow.......
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PostSubject: Re: Swing analysis   Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:40 am

Tituman wrote:

Hi Tituman,

Thanks for your comments.

Lucky no stoke for me though I did had chest pain once but an angiogram by my cardio confirm all clear.. Very Happy He said probably due to stress - yeah likely stresses from not being able to hit 150m with my 7 iron. ROFL Yes, a year ago, though my 7 iron was 150m or sometime even more, score was about mid 90s (??) and dispersion was not as tight as today. The flag marker at JCC driving range cannot be wrong. I laser it before. I forgot to mentioned I did re-shaft my irons from graphite to steel but it should drop by 1 club only & not so drastic.

Yes, my short game improved a lot especially around the green and putting also did help to bring the score down. So not strange that I am able to play mid 80s - 90s leveraging on my short games. Been playing for almost 12 years... almost at least a game a week. I know I am losing power somewhere - except I don't know where. But strangely my driver is still acceptable (to me) - consistently 180-200m. If I get a good shot, 220m (straight) is not an issue...

Btw - I welcome a game with anyone who can help to verify what the heck did I did wrong in my swing? Swing Thanks again for the comments and suggestions. I welcome them..! cheers

Hi Ant, I would love to have a game with you though now after my recent stroke attack, I am not sure when I could get back to the course yet. I usually play in the low to high 90s but with my stroke, I am not sure now. Will call you up once I am ready. Does that sounds like a plan for you?

titu[/quote]

Hi Tituman,

Saw your post about your stroke - kinda of scary consider the fact that you were on medications already. You need to keep a handle on that and track your BP. I get lazy once a while too as I feel fine to do my own check. Getting older is no fun plus irons shot losing distance.... ...

Anyway, sure - when you are better, we can always meet for a game. and maybe we can exchange idea on irons shot and keeping BP down.... ha ha... On Green
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