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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:19 am

I heard many reports about TS and some of the other Turf City golf coaches.

Many comments about the coaches at TC were from SPGA coaches, but a few were USGTF cert ones also. And not all of it was based on just dissin' their biz competition.

Just ask around, especially at Green Fairways and Executive GC, and you will find out.

Do research BEFORE paying for lessons.

Also, I agree a student will get out of a lesson only what they put into it through practicing what the coaches teach them.

My only advice is to try to find a coach about the same physical build as you who is a good golfer. It's more likely you can master his or her style of swing than trying to emulate a coach who is taller/shorter or built differently in terms of body mass than you.

At least it works for me--usually.

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:41 am

S70B wrote:
How can your pockets be shallow when you have been winning $$$ from Bryan n the rest? Razz

Bro, I hardly take those money leh. They are either paid for the lunch or for the used proVs that I am falling in love lately. And also need to constantly top up the golf cleats that never seem to last.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 am

well, i am goin for lesson... Smile
hope to learn some basic...

wish me luck...

paul, cya soon.....
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:15 am

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mengteck 71...pm you liao...

Can PM me the contact .... Pls..... rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:44 am

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Well said. Good testimonials of what you experienced doesn't have to equate to bad testimonials of the rest.

I saw the video. Are you sure you still need those strokes from me after your increase in dist n accuracy? scratch

if no strokes for our difference in handicap then strokes for difference in age lor...

Suspect we'll talk when I get back. Suspect


More strokes for me too as i'm older than DGMan ... Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:50 am

Lamts18 wrote:
S70B wrote:
DGman wrote:
S70B wrote:
Well said. Good testimonials of what you experienced doesn't have to equate to bad testimonials of the rest.

I saw the video. Are you sure you still need those strokes from me after your increase in dist n accuracy? scratch

if no strokes for our difference in handicap then strokes for difference in age lor...

Suspect we'll talk when I get back. Suspect


More strokes for me too as i'm older than DGMan ... Embarassed

We'll have to see too sir after all your lessons. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:39 pm

So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:47 pm

The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.

I do not think so. I watch and watch the tips and still cannot execute them. It takes some eyes to see what went wrong and prescribe drills to follow.


If it is that simple, some computer expect would have modeled and cgi a perfect golf swing customised based on your attributes and you can watch and watch and watch.

But even TW didn't go that way.

A simple thing like how far back is my club during my upswing? I can't really tell. Many times i tried to do a 3/4 swing and ppl tell me that it is already full swing.

A human coach got his/her role in golfing.

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:52 pm

andrewlee wrote:
DGman wrote:
mengteck 71...pm you liao...

Can PM me the contact .... Pls..... rabbit
Can you pm me too? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:58 pm

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[/left]I hate to be honest with my first post here. My perceptions of local teaching 'pros' here in Sg is really low, particularly the malay and chinese ones. Those who are going to shell out $K to learn from them, good luck.

While some are phoney duds, those who really know the mechanics of golf swing in most cases will try to relieve you of as much $$$ before imparting little or no knowledge at all. I'm terribly disgusted with this lack of professional ethics among them. So, little wonder most if not all successful golfers in Sg, pro and amateurs, eventually have angmo coaches.

I made the mistake of taking my first few lessons from Mr K (a malay still teaching in Changi NS club I think) many, many years ago. With the modern Internet, no one should suffer the same as me. Another bad thing I observed is driving ranges here have notices forbidding 'outsiders' teaching there. Although I'm unsure if this can be legally enforced, I find it an exercise to monopolise and force people wanting to learn golf to be rip-off by those unethical teaching 'pros'.

If you want to play golf well, my advice is to seek out an ethical teacher, someone who place integrity and honour before $$$, and of course they must not be duds. Most likely to be angmos, but still have to be careful as there as duds that I have seen.

I play off hdcp24 and like most 24s, I ocassionally do high 80s. If there are teaching pros who want to challenge my conviction or what I've said, I'm willing to play a betted match off blue tees on any golf course with you as long as I get my 24 stroke advantage. Black tees are off because some courses require a 200m+ carry which I can't do consistently.

That's all folks and I believe I'm going to be very unpopular here Very Happy

what is ur point, dude?
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:09 pm

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[/left]I hate to be honest with my first post here. My perceptions of local teaching 'pros' here in Sg is really low, particularly the malay and chinese ones. Those who are going to shell out $K to learn from them, good luck.

While some are phoney duds, those who really know the mechanics of golf swing in most cases will try to relieve you of as much $$$ before imparting little or no knowledge at all. I'm terribly disgusted with this lack of professional ethics among them. So, little wonder most if not all successful golfers in Sg, pro and amateurs, eventually have angmo coaches.

I made the mistake of taking my first few lessons from Mr K (a malay still teaching in Changi NS club I think) many, many years ago. With the modern Internet, no one should suffer the same as me. Another bad thing I observed is driving ranges here have notices forbidding 'outsiders' teaching there. Although I'm unsure if this can be legally enforced, I find it an exercise to monopolise and force people wanting to learn golf to be rip-off by those unethical teaching 'pros'.

If you want to play golf well, my advice is to seek out an ethical teacher, someone who place integrity and honour before $$$, and of course they must not be duds. Most likely to be angmos, but still have to be careful as there as duds that I have seen.

I play off hdcp24 and like most 24s, I ocassionally do high 80s. If there are teaching pros who want to challenge my conviction or what I've said, I'm willing to play a betted match off blue tees on any golf course with you as long as I get my 24 stroke advantage. Black tees are off because some courses require a 200m+ carry which I can't do consistently.

That's all folks and I believe I'm going to be very unpopular here Very Happy

I think that a bad apple does not mean the entire apple tree is bad.

I have also heard of bad foreign coaches and good local coaches. I have heard of a case where a foriegn coach asked a 14 year old boy, when he came on time for his lesson, to wait for him for 3 hours so that he could coach his star student from Singapore Sports School. After 3.5 hours of coaching his star student, he merely spent 45 mins with this 14 year old kid before telling him he had to go off.

Now tell me, is that your version of a good coach??
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:12 pm

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So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

Very Happy

so what exactly are u trying to achieve by posting all this here? are u trying to tell us not to go to teaching pros? or are u just very bored prepping for your o levels and need somewhere to vent your frustration?

i don't think you stirred the hornet's nest because i am sure we have had a few pages of good discussions here and i believe the views shared here are beneficial to everyone's understanding.

if however your intentions of starting this topic is merely to create some disagreements and stir up trouble, i would feel sorely disappointed with your lack of character and moral standing.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:19 pm

Start1993 wrote:
So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

Very Happy

Ahhh... thought you started playing in 1993 (which, coincidentally, is about the same time I started). Anyway, you didn't stir any hornet's nest. This is a public forum for public debate. You are entitled to your opinion and you have basis for your views.

I guess we all have differing thoughts on how golf coaching should be imparted. Unfortunately, I've heard both sides. Some preach the wonders of foreign coaches, other praise the localized approach. Whichever the case, I think that what is important is to find a coach which suits you, regardless of whether he/she is local or foreign. Also, practice practice practice. A coach can only do so much. The rest is up to the student.

My 2 cents Smile

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:21 pm

I do not have a coach but saw a coach having lesson with a boy in greens fairways. I was just there having a drink and looking at ppl practising. This particular coach will use a video to record the boy's swing and show it to the boy and prescribe the remedy to him. After that, the boy starting practising on what the coach says. The coach then took out a cigarette and starting smoking while looking at his notebook. He did not even bother to check if the boy is doing correctly.

Do you think this is a good coach??






btw, he is an angmoh...

I'm not trying prove prove anything but there are always some that spoil market.... just the same as club fitters... can even fit a 7 iron length shaft into a SW head.... all SG clubfitters are lousy??? dun think so...
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:23 pm

Negative Thoughts (ie. Don't think these local coaches can teach me!!!)
==> Bad Feelings (ie. This doesn't seem right! I don't think he's teaching the correct thing)
====> Your Action (ie. WTF.. I better off doing my old swing, or watch videos)

in the end? BAD RESULTS. and then get mad...


Instead of blaming coaches all the time, Why not question yourself?

- is it because you are always late for lessons, that's why he don't bother?
- is it because you are stubborn, the swing is not drilling into you?
- Is it because you are not getting the distance you want instantly with the new swing, you went back to the old habits? .............
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:36 pm

Start1993 wrote:
So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

Very Happy

I think you have got it all wrong young man. My colleauge David Ng is a local pro and he is a great coach. He took the time to learn how to be a better coach as his training with the SPGA was nil. He became a Gary Edwin instructor and knows his stuff. Khalid is another. As for the internet, good luck with that. Is that where you got the tip about the straight left arm form takeaway to delivery http://www.golfrepublic.org/tips-tricks-f12/golf-injury-t1498.htm#30600
Cause that aint exactly true.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:26 pm

Very Happy[/quote]

I think you have got it all wrong young man. My colleauge David Ng is a local pro and he is a great coach. He took the time to learn how to be a better coach as his training with the SPGA was nil. He became a Gary Edwin instructor and knows his stuff. Khalid is another. As for the internet, good luck with that. Is that where you got the tip about the straight left arm form takeaway to delivery http://www.golfrepublic.org/tips-tricks-f12/golf-injury-t1498.htm#30600
Cause that aint exactly true.[/quote]

Hi RSC, can you pm me the details for a swing analysis?
Thanks. Maybe you can give me your email and we can correspond more.
Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:09 pm

all contacts of the pros in the forum are at http://www.golfrepublic.org/ask-the-pro-f17/golf-professionals-contact-details-t767.htm

Please feel free to give them a call or pm to chat

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:01 pm

weesern wrote:
I do not have a coach but saw a coach having lesson with a boy in greens fairways. I was just there having a drink and looking at ppl practising. This particular coach will use a video to record the boy's swing and show it to the boy and prescribe the remedy to him. After that, the boy starting practising on what the coach says. The coach then took out a cigarette and starting smoking while looking at his notebook. He did not even bother to check if the boy is doing correctly.

Do you think this is a good coach??






btw, he is an angmoh...

I'm not trying prove prove anything but there are always some that spoil market.... just the same as club fitters... can even fit a 7 iron length shaft into a SW head.... all SG clubfitters are lousy??? dun think so...

Like that cannot of course. Maybe MOM should revoke his work permit or PR. And I quite sure who you refer to.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:04 pm

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Start1993 wrote:
[/left]I hate to be honest with my first post here. My perceptions of local teaching 'pros' here in Sg is really low, particularly the malay and chinese ones. Those who are going to shell out $K to learn from them, good luck.

While some are phoney duds, those who really know the mechanics of golf swing in most cases will try to relieve you of as much $$$ before imparting little or no knowledge at all. I'm terribly disgusted with this lack of professional ethics among them. So, little wonder most if not all successful golfers in Sg, pro and amateurs, eventually have angmo coaches.

I made the mistake of taking my first few lessons from Mr K (a malay still teaching in Changi NS club I think) many, many years ago. With the modern Internet, no one should suffer the same as me. Another bad thing I observed is driving ranges here have notices forbidding 'outsiders' teaching there. Although I'm unsure if this can be legally enforced, I find it an exercise to monopolise and force people wanting to learn golf to be rip-off by those unethical teaching 'pros'.

If you want to play golf well, my advice is to seek out an ethical teacher, someone who place integrity and honour before $$$, and of course they must not be duds. Most likely to be angmos, but still have to be careful as there as duds that I have seen.

I play off hdcp24 and like most 24s, I ocassionally do high 80s. If there are teaching pros who want to challenge my conviction or what I've said, I'm willing to play a betted match off blue tees on any golf course with you as long as I get my 24 stroke advantage. Black tees are off because some courses require a 200m+ carry which I can't do consistently.

That's all folks and I believe I'm going to be very unpopular here Very Happy

what is ur point, dude?

I think you got my point. No need to revisit. We each have our strong views.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:09 pm

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Start1993 wrote:
So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

Very Happy

so what exactly are u trying to achieve by posting all this here? are u trying to tell us not to go to teaching pros? or are u just very bored prepping for your o levels and need somewhere to vent your frustration?

i don't think you stirred the hornet's nest because i am sure we have had a few pages of good discussions here and i believe the views shared here are beneficial to everyone's understanding.

if however your intentions of starting this topic is merely to create some disagreements and stir up trouble, i would feel sorely disappointed with your lack of character and moral standing.

If you want to read more into what I said, I cannot helped it. I said I've yet to come across one. If you've, then good. Maybe you may want to help others by telling them who. That's ok with me.

I stand by what I said that the Internet is my coach.

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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:19 pm

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Start1993 wrote:
So I stirred the hornet's nest Very Happy But let me summarise:

1. I'm not making a sweeping statement. Good local teachers are few and far between if they exist at all.
2. For learners who have benefitted tremendously from local teachers, good on you. But you are the lucky minority, I maintain.
3. The Internet (which is free) can be a better option to learn.


I was born in 1993 Very Happy you believe???

Very Happy

I think you have got it all wrong young man. My colleauge David Ng is a local pro and he is a great coach. He took the time to learn how to be a better coach as his training with the SPGA was nil. He became a Gary Edwin instructor and knows his stuff. Khalid is another. As for the internet, good luck with that. Is that where you got the tip about the straight left arm form takeaway to delivery http://www.golfrepublic.org/tips-tricks-f12/golf-injury-t1498.htm#30600
Cause that aint exactly true.

With all due respect, I think you're trying to pull a fast one on me. Let me keep my straight left arm concept. I'm happy with that.
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:27 pm

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With all due respect, I think you're trying to pull a fast one on me. Let me keep my straight left arm concept. I'm happy with that.

Maybe why you have tennis elbow at 26 years of age
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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:29 pm

as for no coaching at the range, the local school did pay a high rent (among other club requirements such a minimum number of coaches and attractive packages, required availability of coaches at certain timings etc) to teach there...therefore not fair for other coach to teach at no setup cost and zero operating cost. Its not the restriction on the student but rather the coach. This is not unethical golf coaching, this is normal business practice (for all types of business)

BF/husbands TRYING to teach their GF/Wife is OK......often to the bemusement of others. (often i overheard 'dont follow his way lar!!!!...its all wrong!!!!!' when another lady nearby try to follow what i try to teach my wife. dont know cry or laugh.... Laughing

some ppl like kindergarten style teaching (simple instructions with few critical analysis and assessment) , some like uni style teaching (theory, exact detailed instructions, very harsh and honest assessment). Me i prefer the Bubba Watson way.....and having fun doing it.

Will only get a coach (besides the beginners lessons just to get the PC) the day my wife plays better than me Very Happy (she has been letting on that i am all wrong and she never listen to my "training" instructions)


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PostSubject: Re: My views on local teaching pros   Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:31 pm

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Start1993 wrote:
[/left]I hate to be honest with my first post here. My perceptions of local teaching 'pros' here in Sg is really low, particularly the malay and chinese ones. Those who are going to shell out $K to learn from them, good luck.

While some are phoney duds, those who really know the mechanics of golf swing in most cases will try to relieve you of as much $$$ before imparting little or no knowledge at all. I'm terribly disgusted with this lack of professional ethics among them. So, little wonder most if not all successful golfers in Sg, pro and amateurs, eventually have angmo coaches.

I made the mistake of taking my first few lessons from Mr K (a malay still teaching in Changi NS club I think) many, many years ago. With the modern Internet, no one should suffer the same as me. Another bad thing I observed is driving ranges here have notices forbidding 'outsiders' teaching there. Although I'm unsure if this can be legally enforced, I find it an exercise to monopolise and force people wanting to learn golf to be rip-off by those unethical teaching 'pros'.

If you want to play golf well, my advice is to seek out an ethical teacher, someone who place integrity and honour before $$$, and of course they must not be duds. Most likely to be angmos, but still have to be careful as there as duds that I have seen.

I play off hdcp24 and like most 24s, I ocassionally do high 80s. If there are teaching pros who want to challenge my conviction or what I've said, I'm willing to play a betted match off blue tees on any golf course with you as long as I get my 24 stroke advantage. Black tees are off because some courses require a 200m+ carry which I can't do consistently.

That's all folks and I believe I'm going to be very unpopular here Very Happy

what is ur point, dude?

Just a wild thought. Wild thought only ok Very Happy If we have a game together, what hdcp will you be playing off? I read you consistently score in the 80s. Maybe I have 10 shots advantage?? Very Happy I hdcp is 24 and got card to prove. Very Happy
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