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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:11 am

Play for fun. Sometimes win, sometimes lose. Oh well.

In any event, the one thing I've learned is that golf is a game which challenges yourself. If you cheat, you are the ultimate loser. You only misrepresent to yourself how you've really played.

Such is golf.

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:40 am

i would never forgive myself if i have cheated.

i have counted wrong scores and was duly corrected by flightmates.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:59 am

chocoman wrote:
i would never forgive myself if i have cheated.

i have counted wrong scores and was duly corrected by flightmates.

I think Choco is a really honest golfer and honestly, should stop playing "Ting Ting" music.

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:05 am

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chocoman wrote:
i would never forgive myself if i have cheated.

i have counted wrong scores and was duly corrected by flightmates.

I think Choco is a really honest golfer and honestly, should stop playing "Ting Ting" music.

and u stop the moon walk la...

i think MJ.. also cry seeing ur moon walk
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:11 am

I think the whole thread started by the origin poster .... more like along the lines of ' confession and sharing of cheat methods'....... honestly, I don really pay much attention unless there is money involved....and most times, at least for me, the sticky situations is around 'mis-cal' of scores

No money, I don care...you play double bogey and record birdie...good for you but note that we should based on the score you last played in such situation.

But if have money (significant), wah...that will require close companionship by walking 'hand in hand' everywhere everytime to any shot.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:23 am

underdeclare= cheating

overdeclare= cheating


now in strokeplay competition, if u play a 5 on a hole and submit a 6. the higher score stand. if you score a 5 and submit a 4. automatic DQ! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:46 pm

S70B wrote:
Mowen and I have a kaki.

Typical for him:

1st shot - near water or OB line (1st to reach the place and 'declare' his ball is found or playable)
2nd shot - fairway
3rd shot - bunker
4th etc - muddling around and 3 putting include tap-in.

'Oi, what did you score ____?'













'Oh , I got a bogey (5)'. Stretcher

Hahaha. This one is good Very Happy Thanks for the tip. Erh.... if using golf cart how?
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:04 pm

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S70B wrote:
Mowen and I have a kaki.

Typical for him:

1st shot - near water or OB line (1st to reach the place and 'declare' his ball is found or playable)
2nd shot - fairway
3rd shot - bunker
4th etc - muddling around and 3 putting include tap-in.

'Oi, what did you score ____?'






'Oh , I got a bogey (5)'.

Hahaha. This one is good Thanks for the tip. Erh.... if using golf cart how?


I don think this is meant to come across as a tip...but to each his own
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:52 pm

If count wrongly I think it is a honest mistake... but count wrongly for all the holes.... need to go to school liao.. Embarassed

I do have friend who cheat and can even just laugh it off.... shameless.... why is there a need to cheat?? if you can good, you are good.

Sometimes this type of character can be found in their children.... I'm not cursing anyone but thats what I encounter.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:00 pm

Duval_S wrote:
I look at beginner as one that is modest and view that golf is a journey of learning....same as life, I am still a student of life....so many things still donno

I'm a beginner. I always troll the Internet for tips. I should have saved all the damn $$$ that I gave to Mr K, if I knew there will be youtube in the Internet Very Happy

Truth be told, I find instructions from big name coaches like Leadbetter, Butch Harmon and even Hank Haney damn difficult to understand. Tips, however, from lesser known PGA coaches seemed to work on me.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:07 pm

nutty88 wrote:
Back to topic.

I know there are quite a number of folks who submitted lower score than their actual play because they want to hit the magic number 18 so that they can play off blue tees. Is that counted as cheating?

On the other side of the fence especially outside of Asia, a lot of folks always claimed that they have much lower handicap than their true ability. Is that cheating too?

Some folks also claimed they didn't understand the rules well enough and unintentionally drop the ball outside the permitted threshold. Seriously, it is endless. As long as it doesn't hurt others' feelings or pockets, for hell I care if anyone cheats because they are only cheating themselves afterall.

I find that strange. In the west, unless forced to tee off blue, everyone would prefer white because can save alot of walking and lose less balls. In fact, sometimes div B competitors are given the options to tee white in competition to speed things up.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:27 pm

suj wrote:
This is a good question. I believe in social golf there is some adjustment e,g not counting mulligans or taking a mulligan here and there. Also I think there could be error in understanding the rules when there is OB, lost ball, water, etc so miscounting is possible. I do believe people do adjust their scorecards before submitting --- is that cheating, perhaps but i suppose if you let your flights mates know what your submitting and they are okay with it should be fine...obviously it cant be a crazy adjustoment! I see this happen all the time... especially with people who have a low handicap and want to maintain it....

The word cheating is quite strong and i think a majority of golfers do not cheat...unless there is something large at stake!!!! hahha but even if they did they would be quite nervous about it coz its quite easy to traceback especially if you are scratch golfer or low handicapper... for the guy who shoots 40 over no one really cares!

I really don't see the point of submitting a wrong score intentionally, especially if it has to be countersign by a marker. That's collusion. If a guy is scratch player, an ocassional ballooned score should not hurt his handicap. Same for a high hdcp player who ocassionally go low.

Anyway, one can falsify a score but very hard to falsify a good golf swing.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:54 pm

Don't ever bet for money if you don't trust that guy. If you have to bet with money then try to give your opponent a benefit of doubt whensoever there is an unsure situation. That's how to maintain a long lasting golf kaki.
I have also done the following cheating,
1) 1 feet putt, I try to tap with 1 hand but the ball stuck in between the putter and the ground but I consider it as a gimme.
2) I look at my flight mate putting line.
3) While addressing at the tee off, the ball drop from tee, but I place it back without counting any penalty stoke
4) I change to a better control ball on par 3
5) Tell my flight mate to play from fairway and take 2 stokes penalty instead of go back and re-tee when his ball is found to be OB

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:59 pm

This then begs the following question:

If you are the better golfer playing against a weaker golfer and you know that he/she is not declaring a proper score, would you say anything? Clearly, being the better golfer, you already have the lead. Assuming that there is money at stake but the amount is small, would you just close an eye and let it slide? Simply, would you mind losing a couple of dollars instead of correcting your weaker flightmate and possibly, upsetting the rest of the game?

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:08 pm

If I am the weaker player - I will try to ask the better player on strokes that I am not sure. Try to ask and clear my doubt on how to record score.

If I am the stronger player - I will try to correct him on the first few holes but if he/she still want to count his/her own way then I will let it be I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:34 pm

jimmychoo wrote:
Don't ever bet for money if you don't trust that guy. If you have to bet with money then try to give your opponent a benefit of doubt whensoever there is an unsure situation. That's how to maintain a long lasting golf kaki.
I have also done the following cheating,
1) 1 feet putt, I try to tap with 1 hand but the ball stuck in between the putter and the ground but I consider it as a gimme.
2) I look at my flight mate putting line.
3) While addressing at the tee off, the ball drop from tee, but I place it back without counting any penalty stoke
4) I change to a better control ball on par 3
5) Tell my flight mate to play from fairway and take 2 stokes penalty instead of go back and re-tee when his ball is found to be OB

What a Face

1) If agreed before game begin that putts within putter length = gimme, just take. However, when you decide to stroke the ball and it didn't went in, then add stroke even if it was gimme before; this I understand to be the rule. Matchplay may be diff. I think others may want to opine on this.
2) I think it's ok. Could be wrong.
3)As long as the club had not commence the downswing, no penalty. It can be infinite times theoretically.
4) This one not sure. Maybe gurus here can shed some light.
5)This one is magnanimous cheating Very Happy

So let's say you aren't playing to the rules Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:38 pm

Rule violations I commonly see and have committed myself:

Tell flightmates what's wrong with their swing and how to change. Matchplay situation, offenders can lose the match I think. Strokeplay situation, I don't know the penalties. Maybe gurus here can chip in.

I hate to be on the receiving end of the above, well-intentioned or otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:46 pm

Honestly, if money changes hand in a golf game, offenders will lose their amateur status. That means you don't have handicap number anymore because you become a pro! Very Happy

Quickest way to attain professional status Very Happy

That's why I only bet with biscuits or muesli bars. Perfectly ok. So you guys are now pros!
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:46 pm

dun forget asking what club he hit. Very common.


Another rules violation is on the green during team matchplay, their team mate will point to the aimpoint for his partner using the flagstick or the putter. You are not suppose to touch the putting surface if you want to indicate to your buddy.

Likewise, I have had alot of flightmates stand directly behind my line when I am trying to putt. I will not mention much if he is new but I will stop and look at him if its a money game.

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:01 am

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Likewise, I have had alot of flightmates stand directly behind my line when I am trying to putt. I will not mention much if he is new but I will stop and look at him if its a money game.
Mate, I dun stand behind your line but I will stand behind you and play gotcha! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:13 am

Start1993 wrote:
Honestly, if money changes hand in a golf game, offenders will lose their amateur status. That means you don't have handicap number anymore because you become a pro! Very Happy

Quickest way to attain professional status Very Happy

That's why I only bet with biscuits or muesli bars. Perfectly ok. So you guys are now pros!

I think you must be thinking everyone here is playing big money:

http://www.sga.org.sg/Default.aspx?PageID=141

or just that the lack of being in the culture of betting with money makes you think otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:50 am

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This then begs the following question:

If you are the better golfer playing against a weaker golfer and you know that he/she is not declaring a proper score, would you say anything? Clearly, being the better golfer, you already have the lead. Assuming that there is money at stake but the amount is small, would you just close an eye and let it slide? Simply, would you mind losing a couple of dollars instead of correcting your weaker flightmate and possibly, upsetting the rest of the game?

if anyone plays more then 8 gross per hole consistently... it is time he triples up his range time. Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:52 am

chocoman wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
This then begs the following question:

If you are the better golfer playing against a weaker golfer and you know that he/she is not declaring a proper score, would you say anything? Clearly, being the better golfer, you already have the lead. Assuming that there is money at stake but the amount is small, would you just close an eye and let it slide? Simply, would you mind losing a couple of dollars instead of correcting your weaker flightmate and possibly, upsetting the rest of the game?

if anyone plays more then 8 gross per hole consistently... it is time he triples up his range time. Laughing Laughing

Or moves from PGA to NHL Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:52 am

Start1993 wrote:
nutty88 wrote:
Back to topic.

I know there are quite a number of folks who submitted lower score than their actual play because they want to hit the magic number 18 so that they can play off blue tees. Is that counted as cheating?

On the other side of the fence especially outside of Asia, a lot of folks always claimed that they have much lower handicap than their true ability. Is that cheating too?

Some folks also claimed they didn't understand the rules well enough and unintentionally drop the ball outside the permitted threshold. Seriously, it is endless. As long as it doesn't hurt others' feelings or pockets, for hell I care if anyone cheats because they are only cheating themselves afterall.

I find that strange. In the west, unless forced to tee off blue, everyone would prefer white because can save alot of walking and lose less balls. In fact, sometimes div B competitors are given the options to tee white in competition to speed things up.

the usga handicap index system dos not have restriction on which tees u r allowed to play off.
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PostSubject: Re: Be honest. Have you cheated in a golf game?   Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:54 am

Technospaz wrote:
Play for fun. Sometimes win, sometimes lose. Oh well.

In any event, the one thing I've learned is that golf is a game which challenges yourself. If you cheat, you are the ultimate loser. You only misrepresent to yourself how you've really played.

Such is golf.

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