Some very newbie questions which I can't find the answers in this forum :

1) for the 5 X 18 holes scorecard requirement for local clubs, must the scorecards be from the same year or can span over a few years?
2) can the scorecards be from the same course?
3) who can countersign the score cards?

Thanks for any replies!

2) no need same course

3) ur fellow flight mate

Hi there mirage:

1. Best to submit a min of 1 scorecard monthly but generally the system will keep it for a year. For the system to generate an index. It needs the min 5 X 18 holes scores or 10 X 9 holes scores, best to have more. Scores will lapse over a period of time. I cant recall this, over a 6 months period I think.
2. Scorecards actually can be from anywhere as long as it is USGA rated, same course is fine.
3. Ur fellow flight mates but It is the responsibility of each individual golfer to submit their probable score. So even if it is not countersigned, the club will have to accept the submission.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!!

Thanks beehome and sly21498 for the info! So I assume USGA rated courses in Singapore are those listed in the SGA website only?

This is a very good thread to explain and clarify the USGA handicap system. Thanks.

Actually I think handicap workshops conducted by clubs would explain and cover this portion as well.

Hi Guys,

To answer the questions:

1) For the 5x18h (or 10 x 9h or combination) scorecards requirement, the purpose of these scorecards is to generate a handicap index for you. The handicap index is not assigned based on your performance during the courtesy round. As such, they should be relatively recent. Different clubs will have different definitions of recent, but within 6 months is accepted by almost all clubs. Some clubs will accept up to 1 year, however, beyond that is pushing it.

Also, the scorecards need not be from local courses, as long as they are rated USGA courses, i.e. they have a Course and Slope Rating assigned to them. Thus, the vast majority of full sized golf courses in Malaysia, Bintan and Batam are acceptable as well.

2) The scorecards can definitely be from the same course, as long as USGA rated.

3) Scorecards are normally signed by somebody who played in the same flight as you. However, for the purpose of score posting for generating and updating your handicap index, this is not a absolute requirement (as long as the club is able to provide a method for members to review each others scores, also know as peer review). Golf is a game based on integrity, clubs will accept scores submitted by members on face value.

4) All full sized golf courses in Singapore are USGA rated, the non-rated courses are the executive and short courses, i.e. Mandai, Jurong Exec, NSRCC Exec, Green Fairways, Tanglin, etc

To update some replies on queries on USGA systems on other threads in this one

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Hi timang84,

I am not sure what you mean by the non-coach way to get PC and Handicap. But just want to help clarify a few things.

Firstly, Golf Handicaps are not issued by Golf coaches. PCs or Proficiency Certificates are issued by coaches, academies or golf clubs. However, please note that PCs are not equal. Some confer playing privileges (at golf clubs), some do not. NONE are universally accepted. Also, as PCs are a Singaporean thing, they will not be accepted overseas.

USGA Handicaps are issued and maintained by Golf Clubs, who are licensed by the national golf association (in our case SGA - Singapore Golf Association) and the national golf association is in turn licensed by the USGA, who owns the USGA Handicap System inclusive of the Course and Slope Rating system. USGA Handicaps, as well as handicapping systems used in other regions, e.g. CONGU, are accepted globally. However, some clubs will restrict play if your handicap is too high, usually in the interest of safety and pace of play.

With regards to the swing test at MBGC, it costs $10.70 and is valid for 1 month. However, it is only recognised at MBGC. Likewise, swing tests at other clubs will only be recognised at the club that issues it.

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Question about Elite Solutions

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Elite Solutions is a UK based company that offers Handicap Maintenance Services. However, they are not an official golf club, as stated by themselves on their site. Also, they are not listed as a club on the English Golf Union. I have written to them to check if a handicap maintained with them can be viewed in the Central Database of Handicaps maintained by the English Golf Union.

However, they do claim that their handicaps are recognised in the UK and worldwide. Currently, MBGC accepts handicap cards from this company. This may be subject to change if Elite Solutions cannot prove that they are officially licensed to issue CONGU Handicaps. I am not sure if other clubs in Singapore accept their cards, but I think that is the case for now.

Assuming that Elite Solutions has a license to issue handicaps (possibly through a tie up with a golf club that is licensed to issue one), then essentially the player has a Handicap issued under the CONGU system used in Great Britain and Ireland. This is still considered an official handicap and will allow the player entry to play socially at any golf course (membership requirements and other R&R aside).

The issue comes about with entering tournaments. Most tournaments in Singapore stipulate the need for a handicap. Some are strict about USGA, some accept any handicap. Just be clear about the R&R for tournament entry beforehand, especially if you hit a magical shot and get a hole-in-one, then realise that you have been disqualified over something silly like not meeting the entry requirements for the tournament (the club will normally give it to you, the insurance company paying out is likely to investigate in more detail).

In summary, Elite Solutions handicap is currently accepted. The system used is the CONGU system. For social play, no problem at all. For tournaments, read fine print and inform organiser beforehand.

As a comparison, golfers who maintain their handicaps with Singapore registered golf clubs can be found in the National Handicap Book (link below) on SGA website. SGA is also an official golf association registered with USGA. So absolutely no doubts about official status.

Hope this answers your questions.

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Another thread transferred for reference

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Hi People, just to translate what the scores above mean in terms of handicap differentials

Ponderosa Blue: Course Rating: 71.4 Slope Rating: 127

Ponderosa Red: Course Rating: 71.0 Slope Rating 127

Course rating refers to the score that a scratch golfer (i.e. Handicap 0) is expected to shoot from that tee box. Slope rating is a gauge how incrementally difficult it is for the higher handicap golfer to play the course. The standard slope rating is 113, i.e. A course that is equally easy for the high handicap as it is for the scratch golfer to play to his or her handicap.

So the formula for calculation as follows:

Gross Score - Course Rating = Gross Differential

Gross Differential x Standard Slope / Slope Rating = Calculated Differential

e.g. Using mloy's 90

90 - 71 = 19 (Gross Differential)

19 x 113 (Standard Slope) / 127 (Ponderosa Red Tee Slope Rating) = 16.9

So final differentials used to calculate for Handicap Index for the 4 of us will be

Derek: 10.3
ZX: 13.9
mloy: 16.9
TS: 25.4

These numbers are pretty different (and almost always lower) than just taking your gross score and subtracting the Par of the course to estimate your handicap.

Thanks Derek for all the clarifications and the example used.

Wed beer at SSN?

LOL! ... Sure Bro

Question from TS

Derek, quick question on scores and handicap. Are only the score differentials which are marked with an asterisk taken for HC consideration?

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Yes TS, you are correct. If you have 20 scores or more, you should be able to see 10 asterisks.

Thanks, bro. For moving my Q and for your reply

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SSG refers to Society of Singapore Golfers, one of the Associate Members of the Singapore Golf Association (SGA) that is licensed to issue USGA Golf Handicaps.

Please note that only clubs registered with the SGA as members (and pass the audit) are licensed to issue USGA Handicaps in Singapore. There are basically 2 types of SGA membership for golf clubs, Ordinary (for clubs that own or operate golf courses/country clubs) and Associate (clubs that are "estateless").

Ordinary Members of SGA include all your golf and country clubs, e.g. OCC, NSRCC, SICC, TMCC etc etc

Associate Members of SGA include my golf kaki (MGK), Golf Allianze (GAZ), SSG, etc etc

For more details on which clubs are licensed, visit SGA page to understand more.

http://www.sga.org.sg/Membership/Members/tabid/183/Default.aspx

For more information about handicapping in Singapore, link found below

http://www.sga.org.sg/Information/USGAHandicapSystem/tabid/206/Default.aspx

Hi. I've a question to ask. Which number in our handicap card is the handicap you need to declare to others (eg. when betting with frens, tournament, etc)?

eg. There's
USGA Handicap = X.X
A number beside blue box = Y
A number beside white box = Z

The number Y and Z is higher than X.X. Can anybody help?