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PostSubject: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:21 pm

hi, been rather interested to know what are the key differences between both shafts? Knew that both shafts have their own advantage and disadvantage (like KBS more expensive in relative to TT), just wish to know what really distingish them from each other.
Please advise. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:28 pm

IMHO, I think the key difference between the 2 shafts is that the KBS Tour sticker is more chio than the True Temper one Smile
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:30 pm

cool! can see that you are a KBS fans! but why TT put in their website..#1 shaft in the world?
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:44 pm

VWboy, because TT leads in market share..they've been around forever. the DG shaft is cheaper than KBS, so OEM pair their iron heads with a TT DG as stock offering. I think TT DG Tour Issue is also the most used shafts on PGA tour (i dunno why).

as for what distinguish them; apart from what Renode said which I fully agree. Think it's easier to put NSPro in the discussion. I've used all three shafts.

TT DG (not Lite): Heavier, ball launch lower esp. on short irons, felt less soft on good hits

NSPro 950: Lighter, ball launch much higher, felt softer on good hits

Now, I'd put KBS right in the middle between TTDG and NSPRO.

This is my feedback, based on my swing (i generate a lot of spin/high launch) and preference for soft feel.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:51 pm

hi pushslice, thanks for the informations. How will you relate any of the 3 to Project X? Tried my friend Px5.0 and i felt really cool...
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:03 pm

On my swing, PX's resulting ball flight is similar to TT, lower than KBS.

Feeling wise, I like the Satin PX version. It feels like KBS, maybe even nicer/softer.

Not a fan of Chrome PX's feel but I cant explain why

Do note, results may vary on different swings but in general the ball flight characteristics shud be pretty consistent Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:24 pm

how about KBS tour90 ? anyone with info on that?
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:50 pm

garylin wrote:
how about KBS tour90 ? anyone with info on that?

It should be something like NSPRO 950 ... Satin feel, high launch angle, high ball trajectory and ultra lite ...
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:11 pm


The KBS Tour 90 is heavier than the NSPro but the lightest of the KBS models.
Oh also the highest traj.

My take on the KBS and Project X, the Project X has a kick whereas the KBS is smooth through out.
Depends how you like it .

DGs are pretty nice but heavy, so unless you are stacked it would be hard tiring end of 18 rounds.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:11 pm

renode wrote:
IMHO, I think the key difference between the 2 shafts is that the KBS Tour sticker is more chio than the True Temper one Smile

V rational choice indeed...I feel the same too... Sticker more chio.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:30 pm

sob wrote:

The KBS Tour 90 is heavier than the NSPro but the lightest of the KBS models.
Oh also the highest traj.

My take on the KBS and Project X, the Project X has a kick whereas the KBS is smooth through out.
Depends how you like it .

DGs are pretty nice but heavy, so unless you are stacked it would be hard tiring end of 18 rounds.

The weight difference between KBS Tour 90 and NSPRO 950 GH is very slight especially for R-Flex and prolly u won't be able to feel it. However, NSPRO 950 is stiffer with lower torque.

KBS Tour 90 - 95g (R-Flex) ; 102g (S-Flex)
NS PRO 950 GH - 94.5g (R-Flex); 98g (S-Flex)

KBS Tour 90 - 2.5 deg (R-Flex); 2.3 deg (S-Flex)
NS PRO 950 GH - 2 Deg (R-Flex); 1.9 Deg (S-Flex)

Hence, KBS Tour 90 would generate a high ball trajectory whilst NS PRO 950 GH would generate a Mid-High Ball trajectory theoretically ... The spec of NS PRO indicates that it has a mid kickpoint.

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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:18 pm

[quote="Turbo"]
sob wrote:


KBS Tour 90 - 2.5 deg (R-Flex); 2.3 deg (S-Flex)
NS PRO 950 GH - 2 Deg (R-Flex); 1.9 Deg (S-Flex)

Hence, KBS Tour 90 would generate a high ball trajectory whilst NS PRO 950 GH would generate a Mid-High Ball trajectory theoretically ... The spec of NS PRO indicates that it has a mid kickpoint.


How does these specs relate to performance?
I'm not technically incline
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:36 am

pushslice wrote:
On my swing, PX's resulting ball flight is similar to TT, lower than KBS.

Feeling wise, I like the Satin PX version. It feels like KBS, maybe even nicer/softer.

Not a fan of Chrome PX's feel but I cant explain why

Do note, results may vary on different swings but in general the ball flight characteristics shud be pretty consistent Very Happy

Hi pushslice have u tried kbs c taper? How is the ball flight compared to the project x? I feel the project x has a pretty harsh feel. How does the c taper compare to that as well?

Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:11 am

scarynight wrote:
pushslice wrote:
On my swing, PX's resulting ball flight is similar to TT, lower than KBS.

Feeling wise, I like the Satin PX version. It feels like KBS, maybe even nicer/softer.

Not a fan of Chrome PX's feel but I cant explain why

Do note, results may vary on different swings but in general the ball flight characteristics shud be pretty consistent Very Happy

Hi pushslice have u tried kbs c taper? How is the ball flight compared to the project x? I feel the project x has a pretty harsh feel. How does the c taper compare to that as well?

Thanks.

I can relate to what you said as harsh.

I have not owned C Taper but only tried the R flex on BFG demo heads on the range, maybe ard 30-40 swings so it's not conclusive. Visually, they launch the ball way lower than my current PX 5.0 Satin (High Launch) with the same head. The last time I had a set with PX Chrome (Flighted) was in early 2011 so I cant give definitive comparison.

Looks department: PX Satin is most chio, followed by C Taper and third is KBS Tour. The blue and dark grey just mix well together. I'm a sucker for looks and feel.

Those who can go all the way to MBGC during Starry Starry nite may try shafts discussed here. e.g. I can bring sets with TT DG, KBS Tour, NSPro and PX Satin. Derek has Shimada. Wilkang (if he comes) plays Aerotech. I dun remember anyone playing PX now except for Techno.

Another place to test is BFG Keppel. Golfamigo has the BFG CB003 demo heads with all sorts of shaft. Try the head, very soft.

and if you join Team Titleist, you can find their demo days as well. I had a superb fitting by Titleist late last year. PX 5.0 (non flighted) turns out to be best for my swing, but I just cant bear the feel (unless can get a satin version)

Bros, as always, performance is 90% the indian Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:12 pm

think tour concept from true temper also not bad compared to KBS Tour or tour 90. Correct me if i am wrong here.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:23 pm

danielleecm wrote:
think tour concept from true temper also not bad compared to KBS Tour or tour 90. Correct me if i am wrong here.

Bro, you're well informed ... I guess True Temper Tour Concept is still not avialable locally. I maybe wrong though ...
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:26 pm

scarynight wrote:
pushslice wrote:
On my swing, PX's resulting ball flight is similar to TT, lower than KBS.

Feeling wise, I like the Satin PX version. It feels like KBS, maybe even nicer/softer.

Not a fan of Chrome PX's feel but I cant explain why

Do note, results may vary on different swings but in general the ball flight characteristics shud be pretty consistent Very Happy

Hi pushslice have u tried kbs c taper? How is the ball flight compared to the project x? I feel the project x has a pretty harsh feel. How does the c taper compare to that as well?

Thanks.

I was fitted based on swing speed to px 6.0. I liked them and hit them well (on my good days, of course), but they give me pain on my right elbow over time. I switched over to ctaper S+ and it worked equally well (if not better) but without the pain. I have to adapt my swing tempo though as it is more difficult to hit the ctaper well. But once I managed that , I like the feeling much more than px.

The ctapers for me, has a slightly lower trajectory (my px are not flighted). I also do not gain distance like what is mentioned in their marketing materials. But I like the feel. I could have also stayed with project x if not for the pain it gives me.

Hope the info helps.

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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:58 pm

hi all, was wondering is KBS Tour regular little than KBS C-taper regular? What are both key differences and handling. I knew C-taper more pricy compared to Tour.
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:25 pm

I find that alot of people (myself included) who used the project x complains about elbow pain...and that is reason why i switched back to dg s200 but after kbs came out i find it is the best of both worlds. Kbs to me has feel and has the traj that i like
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:34 pm

Got my PXI's shafted today...

One Word Review: Sweet!!!
Flies higher and further than the previous PX's
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:39 pm

well, all i can say is that i've always had issues finding the right shaft for me. kbs tour did not work, PX 6.5 did not work basically no shaft worked for me at all until i found the DG tour issues... after using them, i realize why most pros stick with these shafts, they are really really good...

another problem that i find with KBS shafts is that after a short period of use, say 3 to 4 months, i find that the shafts do not hold up well and tend to bend a little bit...
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:59 pm

no wonder i aim right hit left..its the kbs!...the TT tour tx not bad for slow swing speed and very affordable
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:13 pm

Quote :
kian wrote:
no wonder i aim right hit left..its the kbs!...the TT tour tx not bad for slow swing speed and very affordable


bro....TT tour tx is steel or graphite....? I have tortoise swing speed
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:28 pm

Aren't the DG tour issues just normal DG with tighter tolerances?
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PostSubject: Re: KBS Tour vs True Temper shafts   Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:49 pm

@dear ex-partnr: its a steel shaft but rather lightweight...
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