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Derek
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:55 pm

allenthl wrote:
i have one loan out to a friend. this driver is totally crap. too much whipping action, the ball either slices or balloons. must have a smooth swing in order to play this. only suitable for players with a swing speed less than 100mph. definitely not for hard hitters. i may consider selling if the price is right. Driver is pretty new, only twice on green and driving range.

Actually you are spot on about this driver being suited for those with a swing speed less than 100mph. In fact, that is exactly how it was marketed and in various communications, Cleveland have repeatedly mentioned this driver is optimized for swing speed 95mph and below.

Contrary to popular belief, or a severe case of selection bias (i.e. patterns in a small sample size, e.g. own circle of friends, are projected to a much larger group; golfers in general), the VAST majority of amateur golfers have driver swing speeds below 100mph. The vast majority do not CARRY their 7irons 150m.

From your comment, I am inferring that both you and your friend have swing speeds in excess of 100mph. In that case, you belong to the rare minority, the elite few, the special breed of golfers that have real distance. Be glad. There is an entire industry of aftermarket Stiff, X-Stiff and TP shafts and clubs waiting for you.

However, please be responsible in your comments as your experiences with equipment are likely to be very different from the rest of us who have average or slow swing speeds. You might have the swing speed to launch a 3 iron, and cause a standard 3 hybrid to hook uncontrollably (thus calling it crap), but for most amateur golfers, an off the shelf 5 hybrid (or 4 or 3) is going to help them with their game and their scoring. A lot of beginners come into this forum looking for advice, and I would hate to see GR turn into Golfwrx where everybody can 2 on Par 5s regularly (some with 7i) and nobody seems to hit a driver less than 250 yds.

As the honorary president of the Shorthitters Club (SHiC), I have a solemn duty to uphold the club charter and champion the cause of the average golfer. And as an average mid-handicap golfer myself, I understand the envy we feel toward long hitting good players. This envy could lead to us believing (incorrectly) that if we use the same equipment as the professionals and scratch golfers, we can play as well as them (as long as we practice hard). I seriously doubt if that is the suitable route for the majority.

In any case, all these are my personal opinions ... peace!

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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:51 pm

Loving this club, suits my 90ish swing.
Agree on smooth swing to play this.
Light stick and can last full round of golf (and more)
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:09 pm

I'm a slow swing player also (or i believe so...)

Got mine last friday and managed to test it properly in the range yesterday. Happy the first 10+ ball landed around 190m with some carry distance...

Much lighter in weight as compared to my old TM Burner driver, hopefully can last through the entire game and consecutive games too.

Next round is field trial this coming Monday at Palm Resort.

Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:22 pm

looks like all clevlenad black all now become longef hitter.

seen it personally
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:25 pm

Happy Feet wrote:
looks like all clevlenad black all now become longef hitter.

seen it personally

Long hitter or not......are you playing at the GR Game?

Gt request for you leh
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:17 am

asahi wrote:
Happy Feet wrote:
looks like all clevlenad black all now become longef hitter.

seen it personally

Long hitter or not......are you playing at the GR Game?

Gt request for you leh

Asahi, Game begining of 2013 with you? Now super busy at work. Can only clear leave from Mid Jan 2013 onwards.
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:14 pm

How much is the CG black at GD?
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:22 pm

Sayhun, last friday, Pan West was advertising that for 199. It will be interesting to see how low GD will retail them at.
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:29 pm

Thanks Blee. I have low swing speed and my ball slides a lot. Just hope this will improve my distant.... That is very reasonable and hope to see lower price from GD.

Give us more comments after your round.
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:43 pm

Sayhun wrote:
Thanks Blee. I have low swing speed and my ball slides a lot. Just hope this will improve my distant.... That is very reasonable and hope to see lower price from GD.

Give us more comments after your round.

Sayhun,

I am just an average golfer.


Look at Derek's comment and you will know. Since having that ugly black thing, Derek driving distance has gone so far that he almost lost the SHIC position... What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:13 pm

Eh, Derek has lost his SHIC position already lah!

@blee, 2nd or 3rd week of Jan lah.
Local or JB?
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:15 pm

asahi wrote:
Eh, Derek has lost his SHIC position already lah!

@blee, 2nd or 3rd week of Jan lah.
Local or JB?

Local? weekdays I should be ok then. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:41 pm

@Blee ... don't exaggerate lah Razz I found some distance with the CG Black, but nowhere near enough to lose my position as SHiC President

Driver Distances (carry)
9 Deg Stated Club Loft - Launch angle dunno

Bad Drives - 170m - 180m
Ave/Ok Drives - 180m - 200m
Good Drives - 200m - 220m
Great Drives - 230m - 235m (once in a blue moon)

I found about 20m more carry, but that was not solely due to the CG Black, changed some swing changes also (basically less sway more rotate). Biggest impact of using this driver is that it forced me to ingrain a smooth tempo. My playing swing speed (driver) went from 87mph to 95mph with these changes. However, when I compared the CG Black against other drivers at the Den, the club speed difference was minimal, 2 MPH at most (I am not consistent enough of a ball striker to measure speed difference of off center hits).

The CG Black is not a magic club. In fact, the shaft is downright unforgiving in terms of demanding a smooth tempo. But I sincerely believe that if you practice with it and gain a basic level of competence with it, your overall ball striking across all your clubs will improve.

p.s. I actually thought with a smoother tempo my club speed had dropped until I got it measured via trackman. It feels slower and smoother, but the figures show it is faster and the ball travels further

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Hybrid: 22 Deg TM SF i70R, Cobra Baffler 25 Deg NS950R
Irons 5-Pw:  Titleist 704 CB NSP950 (Flex Unknown - think it is R)
Wedges: Perry Gear 52 Deg DG S300 and BFG 55 Deg KBS Hi-Rev, Tourstage 60 Deg
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:06 pm

Derek wrote:
p.s. I actually thought with a smoother tempo my club speed had dropped until I got it measured via trackman. It feels slower and smoother, but the figures show it is faster and the ball travels further

That if I am not wrong, translate to being longer right? tongue
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:41 pm

blee wrote:
Sayhun, last friday, Pan West was advertising that for 199. It will be interesting to see how low GD will retail them at.

Hi blee, is the 199 still going on? thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:53 pm

I am not too sure. You might want to check with them directly?
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:15 am

Thank you blee, i will call up and update here. later. cheers!
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:14 am

I called Panwest Paragon and GD.. both dont have the black in its shop...
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:38 pm

Guess it is time to revisit this after the initial furore ... just wondering if the love affair ended abruptly for some of you with this driver, and you have since parted ways, or if you are still using it and lovin' it.

For me, it is still in my bag, but it isn't the same club I bought.

I trimmed it by an inch, 3/4 from the tip and 1/4 from the butt, and then added 5gms via lead tape at the bottom of the driver. Final swingweight around C5 or C6 I think.

Seems to be working very nicely for me in this configuration.

P.S. Before I stuck the lead tape at the bottom, was having some issues launching the ball, but everything seems fine now with it, amazing what 5gms can do (although in swing weight terms i guess 2 swingweights does make a difference).

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Driver: Callway X-Hot 10.5 with Fubuki 50S (pulled from a TM Burner SuperFast)
Woods: 19 Deg Callaway X-hot Proj X Stock S Flex
Hybrid: 22 Deg TM SF i70R, Cobra Baffler 25 Deg NS950R
Irons 5-Pw:  Titleist 704 CB NSP950 (Flex Unknown - think it is R)
Wedges: Perry Gear 52 Deg DG S300 and BFG 55 Deg KBS Hi-Rev, Tourstage 60 Deg
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:06 pm

I'm still using it...tried the g20 and cobra zl encore and both gave the same distance but the cg black was still much more forgiving.....i had problems with the black for a while but after wiping sham's paw prints from the shaft, it was right as rain......
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:10 pm

haha... you better stop leaving it unattended then
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:48 pm

The black 9* 39S is back in my bag.
Switched out to TM R9 in order to test GD Pershing 65R and xcaliber shafts tour SL 48R shafts.
Overall, very happy with the black driver, easy to launch driver. Smile
(Guess I need to update my avatar soon)
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:12 am

Derek wrote:
Guess it is time to revisit this after the initial furore ... just wondering if the love affair ended abruptly for some of you with this driver, and you have since parted ways, or if you are still using it and lovin' it.

For me, it is still in my bag, but it isn't the same club I bought.

I trimmed it by an inch, 3/4 from the tip and 1/4 from the butt, and then added 5gms via lead tape at the bottom of the driver. Final swingweight around C5 or C6 I think.

Seems to be working very nicely for me in this configuration.

P.S. Before I stuck the lead tape at the bottom, was having some issues launching the ball, but everything seems fine now with it, amazing what 5gms can do (although in swing weight terms i guess 2 swingweights does make a difference).

Bro where to get lead tape?
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:29 am

Any clubfitter should have it bro

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Driver: Callway X-Hot 10.5 with Fubuki 50S (pulled from a TM Burner SuperFast)
Woods: 19 Deg Callaway X-hot Proj X Stock S Flex
Hybrid: 22 Deg TM SF i70R, Cobra Baffler 25 Deg NS950R
Irons 5-Pw:  Titleist 704 CB NSP950 (Flex Unknown - think it is R)
Wedges: Perry Gear 52 Deg DG S300 and BFG 55 Deg KBS Hi-Rev, Tourstage 60 Deg
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PostSubject: Re: cleveland CG black    Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:38 am

I got mine from golfhouse. $10.90 per pack.
Contains 2 strips.

Derek, can you please show a PIC of where you paste the lead tape? I'm curious where is a good place on the base cos I'm doing the same on my CG UL290 driver after I cut the shaft down. Thanks.
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