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PostSubject: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:40 pm

Just got into this conversation with a good buddy of mine...

most of us here are pissed with the huge influx of FTs here... this is actually an issue that has been around for quite some time but due to today's social media and internet reach... it is just talked about more compared to before...

in the past, we were unhappy with 'malaysian part timers',
'bangla workers' and what-have-you-not... i do not see any difference in the general situation.. but the recent matters surrounding the PRCs just brings things to another level... i think a whole new low...

I was having meetings with Chinese government officials recently and we were talking about a recent murder case. It is evident that they have no regard for human life. The specific case was a recent homicide of an American in China and with Uncle Sam questioning the Chinese government heavily and putting alot of pressure for an Investigation into the matter that the Chinese Government are expediting it and doing a REAL investigation. In the words of the Chinese official that I spoke to, "Of all the people to kill, that idiot had to kill an American. You cannot get away if you kill a foreigner in China but you can get away when you kill a hundred Chinese in China."

Anyway... my question to all is that if paying more for everything; MRT, SBS Bus, Food, Groceries, utilities, HDB, property, etc, etc and I really mean EVERY SINGLE THING. (Maybe not stuff in BFG since they no longer have FT. Razz Master, pls take this in jest.) solves the FT influx problem. Would you be willing to pay more to get Singaporeans serving you and doing the stuff that all the FTs are doing today?



After all... the jobs that the FTs are doing now are just jobs that most Singaporeans do not want to do... Lets keep things simple for now... Lets just say Singaporeans do not want to do the jobs due to lower pay and the solution now is to raise the pay to Singaporean Expectation Levels and this will of course mean an increase in prices to compensate. After all, these are business being run, right? Running Charities is again another matter about some golden taps and toilet bowls....




just interested to hear the views here.. especially from the people i know personally...
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:47 pm

BS lah.. our things cost more because we build in all the cost factors very high.
the disparity in wages is also very high.

simple is not so simple lah fren
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:50 pm

MC,

IMHO, we can pay more for every expenses, but how can we pay more if our pay does not increase to become more? If our pay were to increase, (ie, govt can set a minimum wage standard), how will the foreign MNC come to Singapore to set up their offices? IF these foreign MNC do not come to Singapore, we will face high level of unemployment and will have a hard time retaining talents within Singapore.

Apparently, nothing much can be done as this is what Singapore is built upon. Only question now for the govt is "balance"
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:54 pm

???

question is if you do not want FTs to serve u but Singaporean to serve u, then would you be willing to pay more?
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:54 pm

@waltzy... i agree with u.... i will share my views later
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:59 pm

mizzy... u are right... it is actually not so simple... but i am just taking out the other factors first and just go straight to the first issue that majority raised...

"I do not want to clean tables/drive bus/be a tse-char cook/etc/etc because the pay is too low."




so the question is if you want Singaporeans to serve you, then are you willing to pay more?
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:03 pm

No wonder ur game is in its current state......
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:06 pm

waltzy wrote:
MC,

IMHO, we can pay more for every expenses, but how can we pay more if our pay does not increase to become more? If our pay were to increase, (ie, govt can set a minimum wage standard), how will the foreign MNC come to Singapore to set up their offices? IF these foreign MNC do not come to Singapore, we will face high level of unemployment and will have a hard time retaining talents within Singapore.

Apparently, nothing much can be done as this is what Singapore is built upon. Only question now for the govt is "balance"

waltzy, stop reading the garbage times. MNC don't employ table wipers lah.
our wage for middle and high level professionals are not bad.. but not that great either. its just that we are forced to pay exorbitant prices to GLCs to keep them profitable.
we have one of the world's highest paid politians and electric tariffs and property prices not for nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:06 pm

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No wonder ur game is in its current state......

WTF!

i was happy to see you replying to my thread... but WTF u talking about...



eh. current game buey pai hor. i beat ian liao. that's 2 games in a row. after i beat mowen, i will come find u. AGAIN.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:08 pm

I thought our electric tariffs are cheap considering that we are non-nuclear...

other island nations are paying like 5 times more than us.... I am talking about Pacific Island Nations specifically.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:13 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
I thought our electric tariffs are cheap considering that we are non-nuclear...

other island nations are paying like 5 times more than us.... I am talking about Pacific Island Nations specifically.

oh so now you want to compare to pacific islands?
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:14 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
duffader wrote:
No wonder ur game is in its current state......

WTF!

i was happy to see you replying to my thread... but WTF u talking about...



eh. current game buey pai hor. i beat ian liao. that's 2 games in a row. after i beat mowen, i will come find u. AGAIN.

Yawn.... U want to beat mowen??? Are u talking abt 磨文 or te mowen we both know????
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:17 pm

ok. i can see i am touching some sensitive nerve here with you, mizzy.


ok, if we want to compare to island nations, I will be more than happy to exchange some views with you as well.



but anyway, still interested to hear what others got to say...
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:22 pm

the mowen that has a belly that is why he is using a belly putter well and now torturing himself with hamster food diet everyday mowen.

are we talking about the same mowen?
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:25 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
ok. i can see i am touching some sensitive nerve here with you, mizzy.


ok, if we want to compare to island nations, I will be more than happy to exchange some views with you as well.



but anyway, still interested to hear what others got to say...

better you compare to Hawaii lah. at least there got some semblance of comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:31 pm

simply said, "i am willing to pay more to ......" Some solutions must start with that sentence. Same as golf, i am willing to pay more to get properly fitted for more distance in my drive.

On the same principle, i am now willing to pay more for Jap spec drivers...no matter how attractive Golf Direct price is. I am even willing to pay for JDM clubs (2nd hand ofcourse Smile...cannot afford new ones ).

Ofcourse we all know Golf Direct is very popular and their cheap drivers are hot items (just see other thread Golf Direct sale...many pages liao...but i too buy from Golf Direct..their prices really too good to be true.

maybe we know now how Pan West / Taylormade SG felt when Golfers Network brought in lots of cheaper US parallel imports....LOL


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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:35 pm

Hawaii is worse off than Singapore in my opinion; property prices are higher, cost of living higher, put up with most of the USA policies which they have little influence over...

but the thing about USA, also abit funny... they embrace some FTs and they shun some FTs... in Hawaii, they accept the other Pacific Islander's imported labour.. from what I see, also accept the social problems that they caused... in main land? they accept the mexicans and the problems that they bring along...

Their immigration policies also need some work... They give green cards to PRCs who do not know how to speak a single word of English but TSA chase away the Indian with perfect English. This is not a problem that is only in Singapore.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:47 pm

Too bad no FT caddies here.. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:49 pm

Laguna have.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:52 pm

(I'm assuming MC meant Foreign Workers? because the jobs he sampled were clean tables/drive bus/be a tse-char cook/etc/etc)

so i'm curious

If Building operators/SMRT/SBS/Food stall owners, etc etc are finding it hard to find local workers to perform the jobs at the current pay level (which is acceptable to foreign workers), then

are Sporeans already doing other higher paying jobs? or

are they choosing to be unemployed rather than clean tables/drive bus/be a tse-char cook/etc/etc at current pay?

Spore's unemployment rate is 2%. Lowest in years. Lower than most developed economies. So there's about 60K of residents unemployed in this country (working age residents are ard. 3.5M)

Per the Stats Dept, "As at December 2011, there were 1,197,900 foreigners employed in Singapore. Excluding FDWs, the foreigners’ share of employment was 32.8% in December 2011, up from 31.4% a year ago"

60K unemployed residents vs 1m plus jobs need to be filled.

No matter how you look at it. There are just not enough working age residents in this island folks. Gotta make babies hor Peace

Edited hor, forgot one zero


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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:57 pm

pushslice wrote:
(I'm assuming MC meant Foreign Workers? because the jobs he sampled were clean tables/drive bus/be a tse-char cook/etc/etc)

so i'm curious

If Building operators/SMRT/SBS/Food stall owners, etc etc are finding it hard to find local workers to perform the jobs at the current pay level (which is acceptable to foreign workers), then

are Sporeans already doing other higher paying jobs? or

are they choosing to be unemployed rather than clean tables/drive bus/be a tse-char cook/etc/etc at current pay?

Spore's unemployment rate is 2%. Lowest in years. Lower than most developed economies. So there's about 6K of residents unemployed in this country (working age residents are ard. 3.5M)

Per the Stats Dept, "As at December 2011, there were 1,197,900 foreigners employed in Singapore. Excluding FDWs, the foreigners’ share of employment was 32.8% in December 2011, up from 31.4% a year ago"

6K unemployed residents vs 1m plus jobs need to be filled.

No matter how you look at it. There are just not enough working age residents in this island folks. Gotta make babies hor Peace

bro, you studied enuff econs to know the unemployment figure is one heck of a lie. come on.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:00 pm

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Laguna have.

Laguna cannot affored leh.......Derek, MBGC got getting caddies? FT or Local also can....I need advise on NOT to try carry the bunkers with my short driver but somehow i dont take my flight mates advise. Maybe if a XMM caddy whisper to me nicely i will tee off with my wood. Play at JB, when caddies say "wahhh sooo long" or "u hit/swing very nice" i cannot tahan.

sorry off topic a bit from this serious discussion.


PS please female caddies only....dont need a male caddy to tell me "bro, u squeeze ur butt to tightly when u swing...here let me show you ('Shocked')
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:14 pm

tronos wrote:
mUAr_cHEe wrote:
Laguna have.

Laguna cannot affored leh.......Derek, MBGC got getting caddies? FT or Local also can....I need advise on NOT to try carry the bunkers with my short driver but somehow i dont take my flight mates advise. Maybe if a XMM caddy whisper to me nicely i will tee off with my wood. Play at JB, when caddies say "wahhh sooo long" or "u hit/swing very nice" i cannot tahan.

sorry off topic a bit from this serious discussion.


PS please female caddies only....dont need a male caddy to tell me "bro, u squeeze ur butt to tightly when u swing...here let me show you ('Shocked')

No way! This is serious!!!!!!!!!!

Hear hear! FT XMM caddie is very very impt!

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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:36 pm

tronos wrote:
mUAr_cHEe wrote:
Laguna have.

Laguna cannot affored leh.......Derek, MBGC got getting caddies? FT or Local also can....I need advise on NOT to try carry the bunkers with my short driver but somehow i dont take my flight mates advise. Maybe if a XMM caddy whisper to me nicely i will tee off with my wood. Play at JB, when caddies say "wahhh sooo long" or "u hit/swing very nice" i cannot tahan.

sorry off topic a bit from this serious discussion.


PS please female caddies only....dont need a male caddy to tell me "bro, u squeeze ur butt to tightly when u swing...here let me show you ('Shocked')

Why Laguna cannot afford? We have some of the most attractive caddies in the world.

But I probebly should not comment on this thread as FT myself.
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PostSubject: Re: FT Influx   Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Halo Allen.

U are a Singaporean blooded Guai Lo who loves Tiger (Beer I meant).

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