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PostSubject: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:25 pm

anybody know this guy?


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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:44 pm

Even if someone did, do you think they'll admit it?

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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:13 pm

Technospaz wrote:
Even if someone did, do you think they'll admit it?

True friends will... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:02 pm

how come no body interested to know why or how did the old lady cos the man to blow his top? is this sexist issue again that goes disadvantage to male?

** ps, i did not say the man is right.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:16 pm

mi5trooper wrote:
how come no body interested to know why or how did the old lady cos the man to blow his top? is this sexist issue again that goes disadvantage to male?

** ps, i did not say the man is right.

This was covered in the news report in the video link, which also contained the man's explanation in his blog.

Reason included old lady pushed the bell late, he has OCD, difficulty in him finding a job, and even the recent Ferrari taxi crash.... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:00 pm

mi5trooper wrote:
how come no body interested to know why or how did the old lady cos the man to blow his top? is this sexist issue again that goes disadvantage to male?

** ps, i did not say the man is right.

Because a civil man would know how to respond appropriately.

Do you respond by physical violence every time you get irritated?
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:50 pm

woman is old and slow and tee kee.

boy is crazy.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:13 pm

I'm sympathetic that he has OCB and The unfortunate thing happened. But if he thinks that it's his OCB that caused him that react as such and he cannot control, then I wonder if he should be out and about, knowing that another seemingly innocuous incident may cause him to (mis)behave uncontrollably.

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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:10 am

A victim of circumstances with a series of woes - OCD, joblessness, dysfunctional family, societal abuse (??). So we pushed you which resulted in you gently nudging the lady who made a big scene? Oh please. You didn't know what you were doing? Really? You called your dad after the incident in case police don't have a grasp of your mental faculty. You prepared your side of the story online before the netizens grilled you. YOu are not sorry. You can't be with a long preamble of how you were wronged growing up and that's why you did what you did. No, you are a sly dog. A smart one. Wish I was on the bus - I would have slapped the "issues" out of you and then blamed it on my genetic disposition to correct critters like you. Sorry, my sugar deprivation made me say all that. Sheesh
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:22 am

buzz1211 wrote:
A victim of circumstances with a series of woes - OCD, joblessness, dysfunctional family, societal abuse (??). So we pushed you which resulted in you gently nudging the lady who made a big scene? Oh please. You didn't know what you were doing? Really? You called your dad after the incident in case police don't have a grasp of your mental faculty. You prepared your side of the story online before the netizens grilled you. YOu are not sorry. You can't be with a long preamble of how you were wronged growing up and that's why you did what you did. No, you are a sly dog. A smart one. Wish I was on the bus - I would have slapped the "issues" out of you and then blamed it on my genetic disposition to correct critters like you. Sorry, my sugar deprivation made me say all that. Sheesh

This is well put.

As an aside, I wonder whether he realises, now that he is famous for this incident and for losing his temper, if he thought it was difficult to get a job before....

I think there were many other men on the bus if I'm not mistaken, yet no one stood up for the old woman, except for one plucky and civic-conscious young lady. Big thumbs up to her.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:28 am

Some people always think that they can get out of it by saying mental problem. IMHO, they should charge him.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:39 am

If he is not charged, it signals that it is ok in Singapore society to lose one's temper and get physically violent.

Just write-up an insanity defence on your blog, facebook, twitter etc, and you get off scott free.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:00 am

Justice/judgment is not ours to dish out. He's apologized, the lady has accepted it graciously, let's just leave it.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:54 am

This guy is a sick bastard!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:59 am

This is like a bad Borat sequel - Turn Cheek to Make Good Societal Menace. Sorry, jocheang, in my book he never apologised. That was my point. He's not remorseful. You cannot say you have OCD and was compelled to yell at the defenceless lady but when others confronted you, you went quiet. Watch the video. He knew when to shut up. This is the likely scenario - dad won't do anything, saying: "He's like that lah." Friends can't be bothered with him: "Don't friend him lor." And some on the bus go: "Not my business what..." I cannot help but wonder what if that lady had not held on and had fallen, hurting herself badly? Sometimes, turning the other cheek means we pass the problem on to the next person - my mother, friend...someone I know. Then what? All the "Wish I had done something earlier" comments will be too little too late. I am not convincing others to do anything but these are the changes I am making in my life:
1) See someone who needs help - Help, no bloody excuses
2) See someone who needs comforting - Comfort
3) See someone who is out of line - Point it out. Politely. But I am 1.82 and 90kg so guess my politeness has to be contexualised.
See the brat. Show him what I can do with his pashmina, shawl or whatever he wears around his neck.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:09 am

jocheang wrote:
Justice/judgment is not ours to dish out. He's apologized, the lady has accepted it graciously, let's just leave it.

Then laws and the judicial system are redundant.

If it's a one-time thing, then it's a good call.

The extent and well-planned nature of the excuse-finding and justification by the guy suggests he's had some experience in this, unlikely that it was his first time losing his temper in this manner.

The thing about abusive personalities is, they are very good at apologizing, because it gets them out of the consequence of their action. Meanwhile, as long as apologizing after the fact works, the behaviour does not change.

Instead of forgive and forget, it becomes forgive and repeat. A chronic habit.

So, letting him go might actually harm him if we look at it this way. Buzz1211 has a good point.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:15 am

The 'Genovese Effect' is the only thing that could help explain the apathetic response of the passengers. Personally I would have socked the guy the moment he pushed the old lady off the bus.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:10 pm

Please don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting rough justice (well, for me, I am). I am saying that I am just as guilty of failing to act when I should. Online, I see some of the most insane comments - trolls or whatever you want to call them - fuelling hate borne out of personal insecurity, closet agenda and ignorance. Today people walk everywhere with a little computer disguised as a phone which gives them the ability to shoot before thinking, anywhere, anytime. But should they? Go to this brat's FB and see how weak-minded individuals are swayed by his defence without dissecting what he posted. A camraderie borne out of group stupidity - one punk actually said, yes old people very irritating.
I am acting now by pointing out flaws in his defence. But I am also changing the way I operate. Say thank you to the cabbie, the bus driver, the waitress, etc. Be polite thoughtful, etc. It starts with me. I know this sounds mushy but I suppose it's like golf - it can be competitive but it must be gentlemanly and built on honesty. That's the society I want my children to grow up in. As for Alex, please lah you raised your hand at an older person and threatened to slap her. In any society that is unacceptable. The next time you raise your hand, I hope someone is there to grab it.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:17 pm

Well said.
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PostSubject: Re: Bus incident   Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:30 pm

Googled "Genovese effect" and found the chilling explanation.

Then, found many more such examples of bystander inaction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Notable_examples

It is a sad reflection of human nature.
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