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PostSubject: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:50 pm





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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:23 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:41 pm

Does the 2nd video show that if the head is aligned to the spine, then the head would not have a tendency to rotate?
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:00 pm

timang84 wrote:
Does the 2nd video show that if the head is aligned to the spine, then the head would not have a tendency to rotate?

Rotation depends on the torque of the shaft.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:13 pm

Hi Sebastian,

Does iron shaft also needs to be balance before installing onto the head?

Thanks in advance.

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:24 pm

Turbo wrote:
Hi Sebastian,

Does iron shaft also needs to be balance before installing onto the head?

Thanks in advance.

cheers

All shafts need to, even the putter shaft. In fact some golfers even do golf balls balancing.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:27 pm

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The importance of lie angle, determines the impact ( energy transfer ) and directions.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:11 pm

They say a picture speak a thousand words but I not sure what the 2nd video trying to tell? Care to explain? Trying to learn more stuff. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:25 pm

Errr......cheem! scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:01 pm

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They say a picture speak a thousand words but I not sure what the 2nd video trying to tell? Care to explain? Trying to learn more stuff. Thanks

1st video - shaft puring , or call spine determination

2nd - Flo Alignment, or aligning the face angle relative to the spine of shaft. (Diff golfer require diff angle)
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:39 pm

Hmmm.... Puring and Flo alignment not the same? I thought both refer to the spine facing the target.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:52 pm

Actually hor, if got sound swing, even with un-pured shaft, end result should still be ok right?

At least for us social golfers..... scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:28 am

C'mon Asahi! Sigma is just sharing... Why such comment? Be open and we can learn something, right? Smile

@sigma - I think I got the 1st video. It seems like the puring helps to stabilize the reaction/ movement of the shaft. But I don't really understand the mechanics of video 2, how does 'Flo' help a golfer? Can please you elaborate?
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:46 am

@Sigma... Does gripping the club also make a difference?
If the player doesn't have a sound grip... Would one be able to see a difference in the flight of the ball?
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:18 am

I always believe in the lie angle, kick point and the torque theory but for the spine or some call the shaft puring, Flo alignment, I don't really agree fully
When I am hitting a ball, I only care about the initial return. I don't really care how the shaft will react after the initial swing. Well, maybe I will feel it wobbling on my back Razz
Wonder does the torque of the shaft contribute to this test in the first video? I can also think of the cramping force, the weight, etc..... nevertheless, it's an interesting video and I have an additional excuse for my bad shot. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:48 am

I'm quite a newbie.. But I believe spinning works before ball impact. As one loads ur club, shaft will bend, and in an unspinned club, club face may ended up open or close during downswing. Golfer can compensate, but with every clubs behaving differently.. It's kind of difficult to do ya? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:21 am

Thot this is the right topic for my questions...

I read that the definition of torque is shaft's resistance to twisting. Not clear whether is it twisting at impact or during downswing?

Prior to few months back, i only use shaft with 3.X torque after an advice from a pro to help hit the sweet spot more often (???)....however I have since tested/been fitted with two shafts that have turned out having torques closer to 5.0, and the results have been good. My tempo is moderate/slow. I just cannot feel the difference of a 3.3 torque shaft and a 4.9 torque shaft. I can only see the results.

So is lower torque shaft a better shaft in general or "it depends on golfer's tempo and transition from back to downswing?

thanks for the comments.

PS: i'm also glad because the higher torque shafts are cheaper! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:26 am

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Actually hor, if got sound swing, even with un-pured shaft, end result should still be ok right?

At least for us social golfers..... scratch

Sorry but who has a sound swing? Lol . No of fence but Tiger is always fixing his. Rory didn't make cut, so is Luke etc.

When there is a bad shot, is it the club or u? That's wat we want to know. If there is no diff, then why bother to change shaft at all?

Furthermore a few of the bros here u know has aldy seen the demo I done on their clubs, the Adams off the shelves. I pm u his name later. U can also drop by to see physically if u like.

Happy golfing Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:27 am

Social golfers like us just want to understand such things better. I cannot even tell if the clubfave open or close on impact, or what loading.... I always blame my swing if i hit a bad shot, but if the fitter say otherwise, then I got hope liao. Smile (Can stop spending on coach)
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:32 am

Dstruc wrote:
C'mon Asahi! Sigma is just sharing... Why such comment? Be open and we can learn something, right? Smile

@sigma - I think I got the 1st video. It seems like the puring helps to stabilize the reaction/ movement of the shaft. But I don't really understand the mechanics of video 2, how does 'Flo' help a golfer? Can please you elaborate?

We may swing at 100mph first, then 105, nxt may be 112.9 mph. The shaft cannot adjust by itself to the change, the flo is to ensure the head comes back to the same position n angle thru these, subject to the torque of the shaft. It is a big factor, but not final.

By doing a right flo, push n slice can be cured without changing major in swing.

Hope this explain yr ??? Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:40 am

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@Sigma... Does gripping the club also make a difference?
If the player doesn't have a sound grip... Would one be able to see a difference in the flight of the ball?

Gripping is the most important fundamental. Big grip encourage push, small grip a pull. But it is also very personal.

A neutral grip allows u to play controlled draw & fade. U may m
notice why u are always hitting high shots, even with wif low spin KBS c tapered shafts, then it it gd u check yr gripping as u are not rolling over yr swing and keeping the club face open.

So is u or the club? U nvr really know unless u stabilize the equipments, which $ can buy, but not a sound swing. That's is why I pay top $$$ for my shaft. I don't have a sound swing, but I do have very very sound clubs. Cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:43 am

I think sound Swing is something repeatable. Like single hcps, scratch golfers and pros where they are consistent in their games. Changing swing is to further impove it I think.

But if you telling me that with the FLO thingy can help with people who sometimes outside in and sometimes inside out and still return the shaft and club face to a square position, then that will be interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:46 am

duffader wrote:
Hmmm.... Puring and Flo alignment not the same? I thought both refer to the spine facing the target.


It is not the same. Spine not always facing target. It depends on yr gripping style, angle of swing take off, yr left knee collapsing, yr hip turn, yr tempo, yr swing plane, angle of attack, yr spine/body angle thru impact and yr finishing swing after impact. These are based on yr most played shots.

Hope this helps Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:52 am

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I always believe in the lie angle, kick point and the torque theory but for the spine or some call the shaft puring, Flo alignment, I don't really agree fully
When I am hitting a ball, I only care about the initial return. I don't really care how the shaft will react after the initial swing. Well, maybe I will feel it wobbling on my back Razz
Wonder does the torque of the shaft contribute to this test in the first video? I can also think of the cramping force, the weight, etc..... nevertheless, it's an interesting video and I have an additional excuse for my bad shot. Wink

The video is abt shaft spine. Torque is the twisting ard the tip when head is fitted.
If u don't care it is fine, then any shaft any flex can do. Smile
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