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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:14 pm

Read the share part is enough. auto correct on phone is a pain.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:29 pm

ehh.. I think thats what he is trying to do ya? Since he have so many WTS.. better match up with the share part! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:50 pm

Lee36328 wrote;

SigmaOne, thank you for sharing, regardless of level of 'englund.' My englund osso not so gud, but can unnerstand you enuf edy, since you are discussing shafts and not grammar. As for distance, technical knowledge, etc, there will be the usual reaction spanning the spectrum of human nature and entrenched mindsets. It's only natural and to be expected.

Usually, the more it differs from established norms, the greater the potential advancement. So in plain englund, the more some people dun like ur posts, potentially the more valuable/useful what you have lor. Whether you are right or wrong, the spirit of sharing is noble.


Bro Lee, well said !

We do not need one to have perfect english to contribute and share info in the forum. Just brows through some of the articles in the forum, full of "singlish" and it makes it more interesting and fun to read, don't you think so?
I remember the president of LPGA tried to implement a " must know how to speak english" rule for those who wants to participate in the LPGA tour some years ago, just after the korean girls starts to dominate the LPGA tournaments. All non english speaking protested and wanted to boycott LPGA. Ángel Cabrera of argentina said "one do not need to speak english to play golf" similarly, one does not need to speak mandarin to play table tennis!




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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:27 pm

Sebastian,

What can I say? You cannot be an angmoh beng lah, stay as a hokkien beng. Hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:40 pm

Me engarrish oso not bery good de,how?Me can still beat high ball???
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:11 pm

From what I understand of the conversation. (Please refer to Page 4 of the post between S70B & SigmaOne). I feel that SigmaOne misinterpret what S70B was saying. S70B was talking about his friend playing golf on the TW using a 7i on cheat code mode. There was no accusation about SigmaOne cheating. To be fair to S70B, Seb I think you jumped the gun this time.

People, discussion on the grammar thingy is irrelvant. Its got nothing to do with the situation. Thanks guys and lets move on.

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:16 pm

TLHENG wrote:
Lee36328 wrote;

SigmaOne, thank you for sharing, regardless of level of 'englund.' My englund osso not so gud, but can unnerstand you enuf edy, since you are discussing shafts and not grammar. As for distance, technical knowledge, etc, there will be the usual reaction spanning the spectrum of human nature and entrenched mindsets. It's only natural and to be expected.

Usually, the more it differs from established norms, the greater the potential advancement. So in plain englund, the more some people dun like ur posts, potentially the more valuable/useful what you have lor. Whether you are right or wrong, the spirit of sharing is noble.


Bro Lee, well said !

We do not need one to have perfect english to contribute and share info in the forum. Just brows through some of the articles in the forum, full of "singlish" and it makes it more interesting and fun to read, don't you think so?
I remember the president of LPGA tried to implement a " must know how to speak english" rule for those who wants to participate in the LPGA tour some years ago, just after the korean girls starts to dominate the LPGA tournaments. All non english speaking protested and wanted to boycott LPGA. Ángel Cabrera of argentina said "one do not need to speak english to play golf" similarly, one does not need to speak mandarin to play table tennis!





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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:17 pm

Guys, you've missed the point here.....i don't think the queen's english is required in order to post....but sebastian clearly misunderstood a post either because he jumped the gun (too kancheong) or more likely, has never played a computer game in his life....

Seb, you've made a bit of a splash in your short time on this forum....at times irritating, informative in brief flashes but consistently tone-deaf....also, your constant calls to the moderator and missmoon to come in to mediate brings me back to primary 3 (like some poor kid calling Teacher! Teacher! every 5 mins) .....

you've admitted to being overly blunt and have unintentionally offended some of your customers and some forummers here......rather than apologising in every 10th post, may i suggest you tone it down a notch?......it comes across as hard selling and it may have the unintended effect of alienating potential customers.......

having said that, different POV are welcome here and you should continue to share ......but play hard to get a bit la.....don't need to welcome every newbie here by pointing them to your shop.....

anyway, i'll get off my soap box and let's get back to shaft p__ing, F__ing, lie-ing and kicking.......
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:26 pm

Mloy wrote;

People, discussion on the grammar thingy is irrelvant. Its got nothing to do with the situation.

So MLOY, is calling one lazy relevant?
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:27 pm

golfool2009 wrote:
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having said that, different POV are welcome here and you should continue to share ......but play hard to get a bit la.....don't need to welcome every newbie here by pointing them to your shop.....

GF simi POV? I only know one kind of POV only....
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:28 pm

mloy wrote:
From what I understand of the conversation. (Please refer to Page 4 of the post between S70B & SigmaOne). I feel that SigmaOne misinterpret what S70B was saying. S70B was talking about his friend playing golf on the TW using a 7i on cheat code mode. There was no accusation about SigmaOne cheating. To be fair to S70B, Seb I think you jumped the gun this time.

People, discussion on the grammar thingy is irrelvant. Its got nothing to do with the situation. Thanks guys and lets move on.

SigmaOne,

Good to hear from official sources that the officially raised grammar issue is now officially deemed non-issue, so pls continue to share. Although, judging from recent colorful and mixed messages, liddat more better you double confirm to be sure.

Communication sure is a wonderful thing. cheers

Have a good evening all.

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:47 pm

Awesome thread!

Can't believe I just spent as much time as I did reading it but it has been amusing.

Insight, drama, a bunch of rubbish talk, and a whole bunch of opinions. It really is what makes this forum so great.

I usually bite my tongue when it comes to discussions that I don't necessarily agree with but tonight I'm in the mood for sharing my thoughts.

I have a background in club fitting and learned everything I know about fitting from a guy named Mike Loftus who was fitter for Ping (the pioneers of club fitting) for 30 years. Extremely knowledgeable, cool guy, knows his stuff. I wouldn't call myself a guru or anything but I have fit a few hundred sets of irons / drivers / wedges over the years and would consider myself knowledgable.

Way to go me!

Anyway, the discussion of Puring / Spining / Flo / whatever, has been around for a while and what I always wondered was, if it does in fact have any significant influence on the outcome of a golf shot, well struck or not, then why haven't the major manufacturers like Ping, Titleist, Callaway, TM, ever adopted the techniques for their fitting systems.

Who could possibly spend more money on research and development of technology than these manufacturers? Don't ya think if it was worthwhile, they would know?

Properly fit clubs are important no doubt. In particular, lie angle, shaft length, shaft flex, grip size, kick point I suppose, are the most significant factors in a properly fit golf club.
Shaft torque, ya I guess it could be considered for the list but is certainly not as important as the lie angle, and length of the golf club.

This game is not about perfect. Never will be. Hitting a perfect shot is wonderful no doubt, but it doesn't happen very often. To play this game well you need a bunch of shots that are good enough, some good shots, and the rare, odd perfect shot (chip in or hole a long putt)

If you have equipment that fits your swing, and good fundamentals (Grip, Set up, Alignment) then it's really all about two things, club face angle and swing path at impact. For 99% of the golfers in the world, including myself and everyone in this forum, creating a solid impact position and turning gross club face or swing path errors into a minor errors will have the most dramatic affect on your ability to hit a bunch of shots that are good enough, some good shots, and the rare, odd perfect shot.

I believe that golfers are often misinformed or mislead about just how much the tweaking of equipment can be helpful.


SigmaOne did make a valid point when he said that if it gives a golfer a level of comfort and maybe a boost of confidence believing that they have the perfect golf club in their hand, then fine tuning the shaft could have some benefit. But as far as having any significant influence on a golf shot. Mmmmmm, I doubt it.


I had something else to say but I just spaced out and have no idea what it was.


Have a great weekend all!





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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:55 pm

Nicely put, Brad!

We need more professionals like you to contribute.

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:58 pm

For social golfers, it may not make any or little difference. But to the top pros, I am sure it does makes some difference. Otherwise why manufacturers spent so much to fit a set for their tour players? Simply take a set from their inventory that just arrived from their china factory and give it to their pros. In order to make commercial sense, manufacturers needs to produce their products the cheapest, fastest way. Do you think they can afford to do Puring / Spining / Flo for every set at the assembly line?

May be all major manufacturer should make a statement on this !
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:48 pm

I'm not sure this is relevant but I think I should share something interesting I have noticed.

Another sport that involves the use of shafts would be fishing, in fact G.loomis which produces pretty high end graphite rods for fishing also used to produce graphite shafts for golf. I think they sold that division off though.

The interesting thing I noted is that a basic step of building a fishing rod is to find it's spine, then the guides will be installed along or opposite of it depending on the type of rod. This is to ensure a stable bend profile and stability as far as I know. There is close to no dispute on the effectiveness of or need to finding the spine.

There is further similarities in profile of the curvature low bending point high bending point etc.

I do have to admit that there is a difference in usage in the lifting load part, but with regard to the casting, its pretty similar to a hit of a golf club albeit greatly differing stiffness.

Well just giving my input and observation and maybe some one with a better engineering/physics mind would be able to take this further or maybe explain why this observation is rubbish. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:03 am

TLHENG wrote:
For social golfers, it may not make any or little difference. But to the top pros, I am sure it does makes some difference. Otherwise why manufacturers spent so much to fit a set for their tour players? Simply take a set from their inventory that just arrived from their china factory and give it to their pros. In order to make commercial sense, manufacturers needs to produce their products the cheapest, fastest way. Do you think they can afford to do Puring / Spining / Flo for every set at the assembly line?
May be all major manufacturer should make a statement on this !

I must say you have made a valid point here. These processes will definitely add on to the cost of producing the clubs ...
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:36 am

qqqqqq wrote:
I'm not sure this is relevant but I think I should share something interesting I have noticed.

Another sport that involves the use of shafts would be fishing, in fact G.loomis which produces pretty high end graphite rods for fishing also used to produce graphite shafts for golf. I think they sold that division off though.

The interesting thing I noted is that a basic step of building a fishing rod is to find it's spine, then the guides will be installed along or opposite of it depending on the type of rod. This is to ensure a stable bend profile and stability as far as I know. There is close to no dispute on the effectiveness of or need to finding the spine.

There is further similarities in profile of the curvature low bending point high bending point etc.

I do have to admit that there is a difference in usage in the lifting load part, but with regard to the casting, its pretty similar to a hit of a golf club albeit greatly differing stiffness.

Well just giving my input and observation and maybe some one with a better engineering/physics mind would be able to take this further or maybe explain why this observation is rubbish. Smile

Interesting information about fishing. That's why this thread is so interesting, and the threadstarter should be lauded.

Just to add one observation, the shaft of a golf club is rotating as it bends (squaring the clubface to meet the ball at impact), compared to bending on the same plane such as a fishing rod.

Hence it is perhaps understandable there are different schools of thought as to where the optimal location/positioning of the spine is; at address, whether 3 o'clock (facing the target), 6 o'clock (perpendicular to target line), etc. Imagine the difference when the spine is aligned parallel to the target line, as opposed to perpendicular to it and how that might affect the both the behaviour, as in how the shaft will kick, through impact.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:48 am

too much drama for the past few hours... I decided to do my own 'studies' on this topic...

Just to share! for those who are interested...
How to check FLO and spine align shaft

http://youtu.be/JDWHoaFum-I

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:42 am

Oh... how I've missed this forum and the smell of napalm in the air.

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:29 am

Here is a link to an outfit that has been on the PGA tour for over a decade. I had my irons done by them back in 2001.

There are some small videos and information about what they are speaking of.

http://sstpure.com/index.html

On a sidenote and not to bash the OP as I don't know of him or his ability. Hitting a 7 iron, let alone with an L flex shaft, 198 meters (over 216 yards) is damn impressive. Best I have ever managed is 185 but with help!!! Beer

Interesting thread with some great input sprinkled amidst some silliness.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:41 am

Beer


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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:44 am

DRGjr72 wrote:

Best I have ever managed is 185 but with help!!! Beer

Pros or ex pros are always so humble Smile

Definitely a skill that many fail to acquire from their pros

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:17 pm

I hit further than 196m with my 8 iron.
Anything is possible. But mine with turbo charged on my ball after it lands on the cart path.
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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:42 pm

ChrisD wrote:
I hit further than 196m with my 8 iron.
Anything is possible. But mine with turbo charged on my ball after it lands on the cart path.


I also can . I hit 2 times 9!iron 220 .lol

My pw . I hit 150m . 100m on fairway 50m in the air .lol I HIT IT ROFL :rofl

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PostSubject: Re: Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque   Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:51 pm

billi wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
I hit further than 196m with my 8 iron.
Anything is possible. But mine with turbo charged on my ball after it lands on the cart path.


I also can . I hit 2 times 9!iron 220 .lol

My pw . I hit 150m . 100m on fairway 50m in the air .lol I HIT IT ROFL ROFL


So what's ur point? Are u saying u damn good or are you just so free u feel like posting something but have nothing to say?
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