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PostSubject: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:25 am

Just wondering, how long did you guys take before changing your irons from CB to blades?

Do blades really help to provide good feedback? Any recommendations on what to look out for?
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:35 am

wah this question again....

can go test some blades, BFG got some demo, I'm sure Sigma One has some. Laguna got some miuras to try

you hit, you like, you buy la.

it took me one range session at Keppel, about 50-60 balls.

cannot feel any more "feedback" than I get from my cast cavity back. I don't understand how to use "feedback" when the ball flight is so clear to see. Fade, Draw, Slice, Hook, Top, Duff, Low ball, high ball. Any better feedback than the ball flight?

and do look out for honeymoon phenomenon i.e. you can hit on range nice and good, then found you cannot hit on course. Therefore, buy second hands Laughing

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.


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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:35 am

Depending on yourself, in fact some players on tour also not using blade.
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:39 am

guangzhao wrote:
Just wondering, how long did you guys take before changing your irons from CB to blades?

Do blades really help to provide good feedback? Any recommendations on what to look out for?

Wah, maybe you can try MB irons before going into full blades... i went half way and returned to CB What a Face

Can't squeeze the performance of the MBs with my inconsistent swing...

Like bro PS mentioned, if the pros are sticking to CB, there must be some good reasons and i believe in some of it too... but i have to say, blades do looked cool!
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:47 am

I'll say that blade will give feedback back where you hit the ball , but it won't tell as much as ball flight , divot and trackman can tell you about your swing doing as well as your coach. I mean you can try blade but unless your are a good ball striker it won't do any good to your game . I wouldn't consider to buy blade if you are over 14 handicapt . i myself giving up using blade as there are just too hard to hit properly on day where nothing is going right . it can make your round so hard . i rather have some player iron. as player iron can work as well as blade . you won't hit blade closer than player iron , it's a myth for my case.
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:48 am

pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:49 am

there is no good time........

many had one gal and married the same gal

many had many gals and married someone else

many had many gals and still unmarried

so....very invidual

for me....I can only afford one set....so die die stick to one 'gal'....
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:52 am

Maybe it's just me, I really dun understand what is the fixation on using blades. Is it the holy grail? scratch

Many good players (single hcp and pros) in this forum also dun use blades

There are good cavity-back irons that also provide 'feedback'. Then again 'feel' is subjective.

Well, I guess to each his own. I just dun want beginners to the game of golf to be unwittingly misled that playing blades is a must-have on one's golf journey.

it is perfectly fine to be playing cavity-back irons your entire life
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:54 am

sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked


MB is muscleback which are blade ,but aren't blade as it was in early time of the game where there was not a single percent of forgiveness . MB are the less forgiving iron in the market today





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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:56 am

Can someone please also describe or explain what this supposedly soft warm "buttery" smooth feel of forged irons (esp from blades) vs cast CB ones is like on pure hits ? Can one get the same buttery feeling from off the rack CB ones ??
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:00 am

What a good question.

The answers your will get from this forum may range anywhere from "Day one, start with blade" to "Never, unless you are a pro." (I started writing as the first reply and I can see by the time I was done, answers have come in above already. Smile )

My response:

Depends on what you want out of your game, and what you are willing to put in to get it.

Casual social weekend player that plays occasionally, and does not have much time to practice, will benefit from the forgiveness of gi irons or even cb irons.

Then there are players at the other end of the spectrum...

Let's rephrase the question.

Will a tool with accurate and precise feedback improve the quality of practice, thereby allowing a higher mastery of the tool? Seems obvious right? Provided you are indeed seeking mastery.

If so, how long before you seek to employ such tools?

Well, the answer is more complicated. If you have indeed set your mind on blades (and there will be no shortage of people absolutely convinced you should not do so) then it is better to start sooner rather than later.

Here's why. It takes a certain amount of repetitions for a move to be ingrained. Once ingrained, in order to change the move, it takes TEN TIMES THE REPETITIONS. Conclusion is derived from bio mechanical studies. Say you took 400 reps to ingrain a move. To change it, you will need 4000 reps.

In answering your question, personally, I took up blades after about 1 year plus on CB. Thought I had a pretty good swing. Then it turned out, I can't even launch the blade. Learnt to launch it, and broke 90. But stalled there. Thereafter, it was a massive struggle to hunt down and correct my bad habits, across all clubs, irons, hybrid, woods. Still in process, but much better control and dispersion now. No longer even conscious that it is a blade, just a good looking iron.

Second part of your question, do blades provide good feedback, the answer is straightforward. Yes. You will feel bad shots very clearly. In time, you can also feel the ball flight shape and distance (long, short) from the feel of the impact.

What to look out for - that will depend on your personal preference, budget, etc. There are lots of choices that will fit different needs.
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:05 am

pushslice wrote:
wah this question again....

can go test some blades, BFG got some demo, I'm sure Sigma One has some. Laguna got some miuras to try

you hit, you like, you buy la.

it took me one range session at Keppel, about 50-60 balls.

cannot feel any more "feedback" than I get from my cast cavity back. I don't understand how to use "feedback" when the ball flight is so clear to see. Fade, Draw, Slice, Hook, Top, Duff, Low ball, high ball. Any better feedback than the ball flight?

and do look out for honeymoon phenomenon i.e. you can hit on range nice and good, then found you cannot hit on course. Therefore, buy second hands Laughing

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

Bro,

From what I read, the question was not "Should I play blades..."

but rather, "How long before moving from CB to blades."

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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:14 am

Question is how long after i play blade will i switch back to cavity..hahaa
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:15 am

Please do not take this the wrong way, my personal view based on my own experience and observation.

If you need to ask how long before changing to blades, then you are probably not sufficiently equipped to make an informed decision about whether to switch to blades or not.

Not to mince words, blades are for players with ball striking abilities that are way above average (please note, occasionally breaking 90 is NOT considered way above average).

You will definitely get a lot of feedback from blades, but do you know what to do with the feedback? Do you know which part of your swing or setup or whatever is causing that topped, thinned, pulled, pushed, sliced, hooked ... etc shot?

Striking blades off grass/turf, as opposed to range mats or golf simulators, is going to pull out, expose and magnify every single flaw in your swing, be it physical or mental. Are you ready for that much feedback? Do you really want that much truth?

As for the oft touted persuasion that using more difficult clubs will help improve your swing, I just wonder if the same amount of money spent on a good coach would produce better results.




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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:16 am

guangzhao wrote:
Just wondering, how long did you guys take before changing your irons from CB to blades?
Why change if you are doing fine with the CB?

Do blades really help to provide good feedback? Any recommendations on what to look out for?
Blades provide very clear feedback but not good feedback. When it's not hit on the sweet spot, it sound and feel more than those CB. Nothing much to recommend for a blade but I miss my Mizuno MP-32
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:19 am

Begbie wrote:
Question is how long after i play blade will i switch back to cavity..hahaa

11 months for me.... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:20 am

sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked

I use a S3 Pro Muscle Blade...is that full blades? heck if I know, just definitely not cavity back. My BFG and Ping i15 is CB Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:21 am

Cyp_PGA wrote:
sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked


MB is muscleback which are blade ,but aren't blade as it was in early time of the game where there was not a single percent of forgiveness . MB are the less forgiving iron in the market today




For my understanding, any model full blades out there that are not MBs?
So I can google it.

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:23 am

duffader wrote:
Begbie wrote:
Question is how long after i play blade will i switch back to cavity..hahaa

11 months for me.... Smile

that is good question hahahaha

4 months for me...it was a blissful 4 month, peppered with personal bests and good iron striking, but only for 7-PW.

but still cant cure the itch lei
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:27 am

duffader wrote:
Begbie wrote:
Question is how long after i play blade will i switch back to cavity..hahaa

11 months for me.... Smile

abt 4 years for me....



i dont like to pursue things that are too difficult.......cos got no talent n no time

i rather go make some $$$......so can buy a beemer n finish a 1kg steak

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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:29 am

pushslice wrote:
sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked

I use a S3 Pro Muscle Blade...is that full blades? heck if I know, just definitely not cavity back. My BFG and Ping i15 is CB Laughing

Ok Bro, I understand your statement now.
Sort of confused when you said that MBs are not full blades.
The S3 Pros are combos, CBs up to 6, rest MBs.
Ideal for people who who wants CB forgiveness for the long irons and MBs control for the shorter irons when attacking the pins.

Hope that helps.
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:30 am

Lee36328 wrote:
pushslice wrote:
wah this question again....

can go test some blades, BFG got some demo, I'm sure Sigma One has some. Laguna got some miuras to try

you hit, you like, you buy la.

it took me one range session at Keppel, about 50-60 balls.

cannot feel any more "feedback" than I get from my cast cavity back. I don't understand how to use "feedback" when the ball flight is so clear to see. Fade, Draw, Slice, Hook, Top, Duff, Low ball, high ball. Any better feedback than the ball flight?

and do look out for honeymoon phenomenon i.e. you can hit on range nice and good, then found you cannot hit on course. Therefore, buy second hands Laughing

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

Bro,

From what I read, the question was not "Should I play blades..."

but rather, "How long before moving from CB to blades."


haha...just semantics bro, ultimately leading to "the same old question" we all know about. It's why before when lor

you also answered to the same old question in the prelude, before giving the 1 yr plus answer Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:34 am

sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked

Examples, MP63 is not a full blade. MP69 is a full blade. Titty 710 CB is not and 710 MB is a full blade. Meaning there is no cavity. R11 irons are cavity backed, Burner irons are cavity backed, Diablo irons are cavity backed,, Mizuno MP59 irons are cavity backed, etc.


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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:35 am

sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:
sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

If MBs are not full blades, then what is full blades? Shocked

I use a S3 Pro Muscle Blade...is that full blades? heck if I know, just definitely not cavity back. My BFG and Ping i15 is CB Laughing

Ok Bro, I understand your statement now.
Sort of confused when you said that MBs are not full blades.
The S3 Pros are combos, CBs up to 6, rest MBs.
Ideal for people who who wants CB forgiveness for the long irons and MBs control for the shorter irons when attacking the pins.

Hope that helps.

full blades to me, maybe look all solid metal behind. S3 has some of the metal carved out

and yup I didn't use the 3-6 CB. Only the 7-PW. Accurate but heavy...
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PostSubject: Re: How long before changing to blades   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:36 am

pushslice wrote:
Lee36328 wrote:
pushslice wrote:
wah this question again....

can go test some blades, BFG got some demo, I'm sure Sigma One has some. Laguna got some miuras to try

you hit, you like, you buy la.

it took me one range session at Keppel, about 50-60 balls.

cannot feel any more "feedback" than I get from my cast cavity back. I don't understand how to use "feedback" when the ball flight is so clear to see. Fade, Draw, Slice, Hook, Top, Duff, Low ball, high ball. Any better feedback than the ball flight?

and do look out for honeymoon phenomenon i.e. you can hit on range nice and good, then found you cannot hit on course. Therefore, buy second hands Laughing

clarification: i bought MBs not full blades.

Bro,

From what I read, the question was not "Should I play blades..."

but rather, "How long before moving from CB to blades."


haha...just semantics bro, ultimately leading to "the same old question" we all know about. It's why before when lor

you also answered to the same old question in the prelude, before giving the 1 yr plus answer Laughing

Ha ha, you got me there bro. I also made the same mistake, before catching myself, and had to rewrite the response. Knee jerk response I suppose.
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