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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:53 am

i have a Nike Driver with the playoff shaft and like to check how do I know the CPM of the shaft? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:51 am

gingerus wrote:
I've got fitted with the playoff shafts for both my driver and woods. In my humble opinion, the shaft for driver is low launching and generates alot of backspin which causes a loss of 20m distance as compared to my stock shaft. Sad to say, the fitting process is based on your feedback and trial and error instead of actual figures, everytime you go back to change it, theres a $20 fee. Ive given up on the shaft and gone back to my stock shaft now.

Don't clubfitters have some device to measure the CPM instead of just guessing?

I was quite interested in the CPM concept but now....
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:58 am

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gingerus wrote:
I've got fitted with the playoff shafts for both my driver and woods. In my humble opinion, the shaft for driver is low launching and generates alot of backspin which causes a loss of 20m distance as compared to my stock shaft. Sad to say, the fitting process is based on your feedback and trial and error instead of actual figures, everytime you go back to change it, theres a $20 fee. Ive given up on the shaft and gone back to my stock shaft now.

Don't clubfitters have some device to measure the CPM instead of just guessing?

I was quite interested in the CPM concept but now....

They do have CPM and launch monitor.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:00 am

teegem wrote:
i have a Nike Driver with the playoff shaft and like to check how do I know the CPM of the shaft? Thanks.

Any club fitter can check for you.
Or go back to Bob Golf.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:00 am

TigaWood wrote:
JonDoe wrote:
gingerus wrote:
I've got fitted with the playoff shafts for both my driver and woods. In my humble opinion, the shaft for driver is low launching and generates alot of backspin which causes a loss of 20m distance as compared to my stock shaft. Sad to say, the fitting process is based on your feedback and trial and error instead of actual figures, everytime you go back to change it, theres a $20 fee. Ive given up on the shaft and gone back to my stock shaft now.

Don't clubfitters have some device to measure the CPM instead of just guessing?

I was quite interested in the CPM concept but now....

They do have CPM and launch monitor.

Hiya, so to confirm, there is now a launch monitor at Bob's?
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:49 pm

In my case, fitting was not done via launch monitor as well. Apparently, cost is the issue here. But with "free testing", I don't think I can complain much.

My reviews with the driver (after several rounds in 4 weeks as a player playing in high 90s) compared with the stock shaft are as follows:-

1) Feel wise - on impact is relatively firm, not too harsh or soft.
2) Distance wise - Launch is ok with good carry. I am getting about the same ranging from 210-220m despite an apparent slower swing.
3) Accuracy wise - Dispersion is ok and consistent.

Overall summary - value for $$. You probably get more than what you paid for with slightly abv average performance.

Disclaimer - I am writing the review based on my personal experience with the CPM shaft. It may be the arrow or the indian. Whatever it is, I must say I respect Louis's professionalism with good knowledge and his willingess to help.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:58 pm

Hi guys

Golfers who can't find 50% fairways with their drivers/woods can consider this option....

We take in your shaft and replace you with a playoff cpm shaft to use and you pay only reshaft fee of $20

70% of the golfers that have done the trial test on these playoff cpm shafts, found more fairways and even hit straighter and further.

So don't waste this opportunity to find more fairways for just $20......

This offer will end 31th August 2012

PM me if you want to find more fairways.

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:26 pm

Got poisoned by Louis to have my Cleveland DST Launcher 3 hybrid fitted with a Playoff CPM shaft yesterday. He suggested to use a shaft with a CPM that's 10 points lower than the current shaft.

Brought it to Toa Payoh Range just now to have a go at it. Hit about 30 balls with it.

Summary of hits:
- Topped 2 balls but they went straight and low like bullet;
- About 5 faded right
- Pulled 3 shots
- The rest played to my natural draw but........I now need to re-caliberate my distance.....it went darn far!

Will give it another go tomorrow.

So far the Playoff CPM shaft has been working well for my driver and 3 hybrid.

IMHO, the performance of this shaft is worth every cent that is spent but the looks can be improved with either a matt black or matt white shaft. My 2 cents worth!
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:43 pm

After reading Colin aka SBH aka TW's recent review of the Playoffshaft, I was intrigued... and went to Louis.

I brought my TM RBZ Tour driver (9 deg) fitted with Playoff shaft (45 inch) and Mizuno 4 wood, also fitted with the Playoff shaft for 2 rounds at Nirwana Bali recently. I had 2 range sessions in SG before heading to Bali, that's all the run-in time I had with those shafts.

I am happy to report that for the driver, I experienced tighter dispersions, finding more fw than what I'm used to. As a result of finding more fw, my ball has more roll (as opposed to being stucked in the rough). E.g., one of my longer drive in Bali was about 240m (ok big hitters, please don't laugh at me lah!)...

Average drives appear to be longer than what I've experienced in my home course NSRCC. Maybe its due to the better fw in Bali which promotes better roll... well, I will test it out in SG in the days ahead. But overall, it brings me more confidence off the tee with the driver. Usually I seldom tee off with driver on every hole (par 4 and par 5), but I found myself using the driver at every hole in Bali, that is how much confidence I had with the big dog!


strike a pose!

For the Mizuno 4 wood, it was a (another) 2nd hand club fitted with an after market Grafalloy shaft. When Louis measured it, it turns out to be very very stiff. No wonder I struggled to launch it high despite a 16.5 deg loft. He suggested that it is probably too high a CPM for my ss (about 95mph for driver) and went to recommend a lower CPM. Again, he was spot - on. I managed to hit a no. of good 4 wood shots off the deck and off the tee

On the whole, it was money well-spent for me. Hey for $20 experiment, I think it is a no brainer for me. If you can get past the shaft graphics and focus on the results, I think the proof is in the pudding. I had a chat with Mr Phua, the owner of Bob's Golf and in his own words - he does not claim that the Playoff shaft is better than the aftermarket shafts in the market out there. But he believes that with the CPM concept, he can better match a shaft with the right CPM to your swing. Btw, he is working on the graphics, so look out for the new iteration

As such, I conclude that experienced golfers who know their own ss, and know how their current driver (or fw or hybrid) shot shape, you can seriously give Louis a PM. Don't take my word for it, try it. Have a chat with him. Some may need to go to him back and forth till a right fit is found. He may be limited by the lack of a launch monitor, but give him as much info and be honest with your self-assessment, he may be able to find you a right CPM-matched shaft. Personally, I experienced straighter shots, and as such, more confidence, and better swing and subsequently, longer drives (I think...). cheers

Now that I'm back from Bali, first thing I did is I went back with my wife's driver and my back up driver and got them fitted with Playoff shafts too!
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:32 am

"the owner of Bob's Golf and in his own words - he does not claim that the Playoff shaft is better than the aftermarket shafts in the market out there. But he believes that with the CPM concept, he can better match a shaft with the right CPM to your swing."

It is very true, once you get the CPM right.
It will be as straight as an arrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:58 pm

Hello golfers,

8 days to PLAYOFF cpm shaft trial...........

We take in your shaft and replace you with a playoff cpm shaft to use and you pay only reshaft fee of $20

70% of the golfers that have done the trial test on these playoff cpm shafts, found more fairways and even hit straighter and further.

This offer will end 31th August 2012

PM me.....

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:00 am

Range report.... Tonight i tested the new PlayOff cpm shaft which Louis fitted onto my trusty old Cobra ZL 10.5 driver head ... Was amazed at the tight dispersion of my drives. almost 90% of shots v little dispersion... Was with 2 of my bros from the PGA MEET-UP group @ punggol range and they also had a go and their shots were also straight.. its definitely a miracle! LOL Smile One already made a date w me to drop by Bobs Golf tomorrow to check out the shaft w Louis...

Next will bring this WMD to the course to see if it can continue to shoot straight straight... I had my doubts about it at first as i thought CPM was only one of many factors in an aftermarket shaft that was important to its performance but boy was i wrong!.. it is indeed a very very big factor! You gotta try to believe as I did....
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:52 pm

Hello golfers,

6 days to PLAYOFF cpm shaft trial...........

We take in your shaft and replace you with a playoff cpm shaft to use and you pay only reshaft fee of $20

70% of the golfers that have done the trial test on these playoff cpm shafts, found more fairways and even hit further with small dispersion.

This offer will end 31th August 2012

PM me.....

Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:47 pm

Disclaimer: I have only skimmed through this thread ... so plz point me in the right direction if I have missed out or misunderstood anything ...

CPM is one of many factors taken into consideration when it comes to club fitting ... other attributes such as bendpoint, torque, butt/ tip stiffness are vitally important as well .. a driver shaft varies from a fairway wood which in turn varies from a hybrid shaft in more ways than just the CPM ...

what are the attributes of the various "playoff" shafts?? thks
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:38 am

TourSwing wrote:
Disclaimer: I have only skimmed through this thread ... so plz point me in the right direction if I have missed out or misunderstood anything ...

CPM is one of many factors taken into consideration when it comes to club fitting ... other attributes such as bendpoint, torque, butt/ tip stiffness are vitally important as well .. a driver shaft varies from a fairway wood which in turn varies from a hybrid shaft in more ways than just the CPM ...

what are the attributes of the various "playoff" shafts?? thks

What you have stated is correct.
All things being equal, play-off shaft gives a tighter range of CPM.
"the owner of Bob's Golf and in his own words - he does not claim that the Playoff shaft is better than the aftermarket shafts in the market out there. But he believes that with the CPM concept, he can better match a shaft with the right CPM to your swing."

Hope this help. I'm not a technical player, I tried it and it does give me better distance.
I'm sure any other brand of shaft can do the job, as long as the cpm matches.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:36 am

TigaWood wrote:
TourSwing wrote:
Disclaimer: I have only skimmed through this thread ... so plz point me in the right direction if I have missed out or misunderstood anything ...

CPM is one of many factors taken into consideration when it comes to club fitting ... other attributes such as bendpoint, torque, butt/ tip stiffness are vitally important as well .. a driver shaft varies from a fairway wood which in turn varies from a hybrid shaft in more ways than just the CPM ...

what are the attributes of the various "playoff" shafts?? thks

What you have stated is correct.
All things being equal, play-off shaft gives a tighter range of CPM.
"the owner of Bob's Golf and in his own words - he does not claim that the Playoff shaft is better than the aftermarket shafts in the market out there. But he believes that with the CPM concept, he can better match a shaft with the right CPM to your swing."

Hope this help. I'm not a technical player, I tried it and it does give me better distance.
I'm sure any other brand of shaft can do the job, as long as the cpm matches.

Interesting approach .. use the playoff shafts to identify the desired CPM first .. and then the more demanding customer can replace with matching CPM aftermarket shafts to optimize launch conditions ..

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:11 am

Tourswing: seems CPM is one factor and that its the measurement in terms of cycles per minute for a shaft which determines if its true flex. The argument is that one brand's shaft's flex, say R could be another brand's S.

Question: Do you know what is the exact CPM of your particular aftermarket or OEM shaft and does it suit your swing speed?

Most sellers (from retail shops in FESC to biggies like Isetan to even fitters) out there dont usually hv a machine to measure the CPM to tell the customer. Seems PlayOff shafts were manufactured not only to come in increments of 1 CPM versus market standards (usually in bands of 3-6 CPM per flex category) it also comes in different shaft weights from 40g upwards. Bob's Golf hv precisely such a measuring device and inhouse technical expertise to determine exactly the CPM of any shaft incl the drivers you own.

In my case i brought 2 drivers/ shafts there (see my signature) and Louis the fitter checked both incl shaft/ head weights and since i mentioned i could hit both tho with some dispersion he started me off with a shaft with a CPM in between the 2 driver shafts to try. I hv and seriously to my amazement the dispersion of my drives is now very tight at the range. I hv yet to bring it to the course. By the way once u tip the shaft or cut it shorter the CPM is affected and again here Bob's Golf can determine the exact CPM for u.


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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:12 am

TourSwing wrote:
TigaWood wrote:
TourSwing wrote:
Disclaimer: I have only skimmed through this thread ... so plz point me in the right direction if I have missed out or misunderstood anything ...

CPM is one of many factors taken into consideration when it comes to club fitting ... other attributes such as bendpoint, torque, butt/ tip stiffness are vitally important as well .. a driver shaft varies from a fairway wood which in turn varies from a hybrid shaft in more ways than just the CPM ...

what are the attributes of the various "playoff" shafts?? thks

What you have stated is correct.
All things being equal, play-off shaft gives a tighter range of CPM.
"the owner of Bob's Golf and in his own words - he does not claim that the Playoff shaft is better than the aftermarket shafts in the market out there. But he believes that with the CPM concept, he can better match a shaft with the right CPM to your swing."

Hope this help. I'm not a technical player, I tried it and it does give me better distance.
I'm sure any other brand of shaft can do the job, as long as the cpm matches.

Interesting approach .. use the playoff shafts to identify the desired CPM first .. and then the more demanding customer can replace with matching CPM aftermarket shafts to optimize launch conditions ..


That's exactly what I thought when I first used the playoff shafts Idea

However, I didn't bother to change my shafts to other more expensive aftermarket shafts after getting used to the playoff because it's working fine, if not better than the more expensive ones. So why fix the wheel when its ain't broken!

I in fact went on to fit a playoff on my Cleveland DST Launcher 3 Hybrid. It definitely went further on the drive range but the true test was on the course. Played 2 games with it so far and am extremely happy with the result. Swing On the average, I have game 15-20m more from my shots - used to hit it about 185m.

Result?

I'll be down to fit my 4 hybrid with a playoff too! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:22 am

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Interesting approach .. use the playoff shafts to identify the desired CPM first .. and then the more demanding customer can replace with matching CPM aftermarket shafts to optimize launch conditions ..


the demanding customer might not find it so easy to find a matching CPM afermarket shaft in the marketplace as most manufacturers do not list the exact CPM in the specs. On top of that even if the seller can tell u the CPM approximation according to their catalogues its usually in a band of 3-6 cycles per minute and not spot on. Also you will need to bring that shaft to a place like Bob's Golf with the measuring device to determine that particular aftermarket shaft's CPM to see if it is as stated.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:02 pm

Hello golfers,

Count down ..4 days left to PLAYOFF cpm shaft trial...........

We take in your shaft and replace you with a playoff cpm shaft to use and you pay only reshaft fee of $20

70% of the golfers that have done the trial test on these playoff cpm shafts, found more fairways and even hit longer and straighter.

This offer will end 31th August 2012

PM me........ I HIT IT

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:44 pm

Hello golfers,


For those that have already fitted with the playoff cpm shafts and tried it....thank you for your support on this program. I believe that majority of the golfers that tried on these shafts are now able to find more fairways when playing on the course.

Final count down...2 days left to try on the playoff cpm shaft....

We take in your shaft and replace you with a playoff cpm shaft to use and you pay only reshaft fee of $20


This offer will end 31th August 2012

The last 6 days, more than 15 golfers have booked the time for the fitting of the playoff shaft...are you one of them!!!!!!!

Cheers I HIT IT

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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:59 pm

probably will see u tomolo. your address pls.
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:46 pm

PM sent. Pls revert. Tq
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PostSubject: Re: Review on Play-off shaft( CPM Concept )   Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:49 pm

Thk u Louis for your friendly advise n gd service Smile
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