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golfjoy
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golfjoy
Super Active Golfer
Posts: 1384
Join date: 2010-06-04
Age: 74
Location: Singapore
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golfjoy
Super Active Golfer
Posts: 1384
Join date: 2010-06-04
Age: 74
Location: Singapore
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golfjoy
Super Active Golfer
Posts: 1384
Join date: 2010-06-04
Age: 74
Location: Singapore
|  Subject: Re: What makes a good student?  Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:24 pm | |
| | DRGjr72 wrote: |
At the end of the day, teacher/student relationships can be challenging. Some teachers are good, some are bad. Some students are good, and some are bad. The bottom line is if you are spending the money for lessons and want to improve find a quality teacher that you get along with, be open to their suggestions, find a teaching methodology that you can relate to and fits your learning style and commitment level, and finally put in a little work between lessons. If you do all of those things you will see improvement.
Dan
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Agree.
But usually, it's AFTER making payment then we have the lesson and few lessons down the road, you realise the 2 of you are not compatible. How?
Yes, there are trial lessons, but there is just <this much> one can tell from the 1st meeting. 
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golfjoy
Super Active Golfer
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Age: 74
Location: Singapore
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DRGjr72
Senior Golfer
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Join date: 2011-02-14
Age: 40
Location: Singapore
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:28 pm | |
| | golfjoy wrote: | | DRGjr72 wrote: |
At the end of the day, teacher/student relationships can be challenging. Some teachers are good, some are bad. Some students are good, and some are bad. The bottom line is if you are spending the money for lessons and want to improve find a quality teacher that you get along with, be open to their suggestions, find a teaching methodology that you can relate to and fits your learning style and commitment level, and finally put in a little work between lessons. If you do all of those things you will see improvement.
Dan
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Agree.
But usually, it's AFTER making payment then we have the lesson and few lessons down the road, you realise the 2 of you are not compatible. How?
Yes, there are trial lessons, but there is just <this much> one can tell from the 1st meeting.
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I don't know it works here in Singapore, but my policy was to have a few "trial" lessons at first to see if we were compatible and if they enjoyed my teaching methods and style. If they opted for a series or whatnot I would prorate the price when they signed up. Once they signed up for a series I always offered them an exit option if for any reason they became unhappy with my performance, or just felt like it was not working out. Personally I never really liked series of lessons as they essentially "forced" a relationship upon the parties involved. I actually preferred to do single lessons with a scheduled standing day and time. That way for whatever reason the relationship could be terminated easier (without refund for remaining lessons) if either party was unhappy. Fortunately I never had to refund any series lesson money, and very few of my students ever left because they felt things were not working out.
I also completely agree that you can only learn so much from someone after the first lesson. They could put on a good show and you would not know that until several lessons later. I personally would never sign up for a series without a few "trial" lessons so I could assess the compatibility and his or her teaching ability/knowledge base.
I realize there can be discounts involved for series, sometimes substantial. That has to be weighed by you and based on your own personal choice and situation. Again this is how I operated and would never "force" anyone to stay in the relationship if it was not working. If that situation ever arose (it never did) I would have just refunded them the equivalent of the remaining lessons and wished them the best in their golfing endeavors.
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asahi
Course Marshal
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Join date: 2009-12-19
Age: 36
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:42 pm | |
| Hear hear, Dan! You are truly an example for our local coaches to follow.  |
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fata
Senior Golfer
Posts: 268
Join date: 2011-07-03
Location: Fairway Green
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:28 pm | |
| | golfjoy wrote: |
What makes a good student?
Your views, please. |
Good teacher produce good student... |
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ahnah
Very Active Golfer
Posts: 914
Join date: 2011-07-26
Location: Sengkang
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:38 pm | |
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hkhamateur
Super Active Golfer
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Join date: 2009-09-29
Age: 40
Location: North-East
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:48 pm | |
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DGman
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| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:28 pm | |
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mattpro0796
Golf Professionals
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Join date: 2012-11-07
Age: 33
Location: Raffles CC, Singapore
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:51 pm | |
| I agree with DRGjnr72,
Offering a trial does give the best chance for explanation and allowing the student to ask as many questions as possible. That's why I do offer a free swing analysis.
However, I'm a great believer in asking lots of questions myself to get a better understanding of the students concept of the golf swing. That explains a lot to me as a coach as to why that particular student has that problem in the first place.
It could be a misunderstanding from another coach, watching too many youtube videos, reading too many basic magazine articles...... Golf swings cannot be fixed without actually seeing them.
Quote Jack Nicklaus - Practice does not make perfect, it makes permanent.....
Again I'm agreeing with DRGjnr72 - most recreational golfers have lessons to improve. But without proper constructive practice it's hard to get results. I teach all levels of golfers from Beginner to Tour Professional. But I don't teach the beginners any different from Tour Professionals. I do use a particular model swing, and I know the old adage that everybody is different in size, height, ability. BUT most golfers have two arms, two hands, two legs and a bit between the ears.
So with full explanation, demonstration and video all my students have seen improvements. It's up to them then to practice away from the lessons.
Just my two cents.
Cheers and Happy New Year!!! |
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golfjoy
Super Active Golfer
Posts: 1384
Join date: 2010-06-04
Age: 74
Location: Singapore
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:29 am | |
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eiji
Course Marshal
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Age: 32
Location: Training
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:51 am | |
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hkhamateur
Super Active Golfer
Posts: 1962
Join date: 2009-09-29
Age: 40
Location: North-East
| | Subject: Re: What makes a good student? Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:29 am | |
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