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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:19 pm

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Food for thought. If you reduce the swing speed to a 3/4 or 1/2 swing. won't it take away alot of the spin? 

Generally ppl play 4* between wedges. You could get a 48-50* wedge and bend it up/down 1-2*?

IMHO, i think reducing swing speed creates more uncertainty in controlling the distance. My mind would be very confused on whether this swing speed is 3/4 or 1/2, therefore resulting in more mistakes ...

 For me, i'd rather always leave myself a distance where i can take a full swing. 3/4 and 1/2 need a lot of practice to develop the feel for the distance.
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:31 pm

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Food for thought. If you reduce the swing speed to a 3/4 or 1/2 swing. won't it take away alot of the spin? 

Generally ppl play 4* between wedges. You could get a 48-50* wedge and bend it up/down 1-2*?

IMHO, i think reducing swing speed creates more uncertainty in controlling the distance. My mind would be very confused on whether this swing speed is 3/4 or 1/2, therefore resulting in more mistakes ...

 For me, i'd rather always leave myself a distance where i can take a full swing. 3/4 and 1/2 need a lot of practice to develop the feel for the distance.

exactly my thoughts. that's why i was looking for a G or 48/49 wedge to do a full swing to achieve 90-100m ... Very Happy 

but will try out the "choke down half grip open stance" method when i have a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:38 pm

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abadan wrote:
Food for thought. If you reduce the swing speed to a 3/4 or 1/2 swing. won't it take away alot of the spin? 

Generally ppl play 4* between wedges. You could get a 48-50* wedge and bend it up/down 1-2*?

IMHO, i think reducing swing speed creates more uncertainty in controlling the distance. My mind would be very confused on whether this swing speed is 3/4 or 1/2, therefore resulting in more mistakes ...

 For me, i'd rather always leave myself a distance where i can take a full swing. 3/4 and 1/2 need a lot of practice to develop the feel for the distance.

So, even at 60m in, you're going for full swing?

Then again, there's a reason why our scores are vastly different Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:45 pm

Lay up to a distance where you are most comfortable with full swing. That would be my preferred course management. But more often than not, my shot didn't end up where I wanted it to be. The problem with planning vs. execution.
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:48 pm

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Lay up to a distance where you are most comfortable with full swing. That would be my preferred course management. But more often than not, my shot didn't end up where I wanted it to be. The problem with planning vs. execution.

 If we can always achieve that, then you already become PRO liao ... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:05 pm

Interesting topic.
I use forgiving clubs that are strong lofted; my PW has about a 20m gap from SW.
I was contemplating a wedge to cover this distance gap; was looking for a standalone wedge rather than the A or G wedge that is part of my set. I think it was more for the "heow" factor; to feel like a player, who uses specialized wedges!

But the guy who fitted me asked if I was going to open my wedge, or try to do fanciful stuff with the G/A wedge like half swings/finesse shots; if not better to just get the A wedge that has the same design as my 4-P set that is used more for full swings.

So I took his advice...I don't have the talent or practice; so i guess forgiveness is key for me. So far no regrets, although I'll probably end up buying another wedge just because... albino
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:11 pm

The master has spoken.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:28 pm

I can tell u for the general typical avg player, asking them to hit 3/4 shots or 1/2 shots is a taller order than asking them to hit full wedge shots.

Many a times, the common faults for the 90s-100s shooter will be to either try and steer the shot to the target...with non ideal results or even more so, decel on the downswing subconsciously becos they r not hitting a full shot, leading to mostly fat or topped shots.

Its good to practice such shots on the range but once on the course, its easier to have swing tots similar to 12 other clubs in ur bag rather than try to feel for distance when most ppl will naturally tense up.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:37 pm

Ssquirrel wrote:
Interesting topic.
I use forgiving clubs that are strong lofted; my PW has about a 20m gap from SW.
I was contemplating a wedge to cover this distance gap; was looking for a standalone wedge rather than the A or G wedge that is part of my set. I think it was more for the "heow" factor; to feel like a player, who uses specialized wedges!

But the guy who fitted me asked if I was going to open my wedge, or try to do fanciful stuff with the G/A wedge like half swings/finesse shots; if not better to just get the A wedge that has the same design as my 4-P set that is used more for full swings.

So I took his advice...I don't have the talent or practice; so i guess forgiveness is key for me. So far no regrets, although I'll probably end up buying another wedge just because... albino

.........coz of IBS.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:41 pm

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I can tell u for the general typical avg player, asking them to hit 3/4 shots or 1/2 shots is a taller order than asking them to hit full wedge shots.

Many a times, the common faults for the 90s-100s shooter will be to either try and steer the shot to the target...with non ideal results or even more so, decel on the downswing subconsciously becos they r not hitting a full shot, leading to mostly fat or topped shots.

Its good to practice such shots on the range but once on the course, its easier to have swing tots similar to 12 other clubs in ur bag rather than try to feel for distance when most ppl will naturally tense up.

How then does a golfer tackle a shot which is 30-40m in when the LW or SW gives them 60m with a full swing?

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:48 pm

practicing a pitch shot is different from practicing a 3/4 shot of 90m or so type of length.

A pitch shot does not require the same amt of downswing force compared to a shot that is 80-90m as the technique for pitch shots r slightly diff. More often its tempo that is more impt in determining decent pitch contact.

Also for 30-40m, more ppl will benefit practicing pitch shots with their SW before progressing to LW for greater height n softer landing. 

U can ask 10 20+hdcpers what they r least confident using on the course. Other than the driver, the LW is often one of them.

Dun get me wrong in that 3/4 shots r not useful. But for the OP who has revealed his skill level somewhat, I am offering him an alt approach to improvement.

But we digress.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:23 pm

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I can tell u for the general typical avg player, asking them to hit 3/4 shots or 1/2 shots is a taller order than asking them to hit full wedge shots.

Many a times, the common faults for the 90s-100s shooter will be to either try and steer the shot to the target...with non ideal results or even more so, decel on the downswing subconsciously becos they r not hitting a full shot, leading to mostly fat or topped shots.

Its good to practice such shots on the range but once on the course, its easier to have swing tots similar to 12 other clubs in ur bag rather than try to feel for distance when most ppl will naturally tense up.

How then does a golfer tackle a shot which is 30-40m in when the LW or SW gives them 60m with a full swing?


Jason, OT lah. Our bro asking if he needs a wedge to give him 90-100m. My advise.. Get one. or you may start to feel a club short everytiime you play. Razz 

Anything shorter than 60 yards for me is considered a pitch. Like how bro S70B has replied. its a totally different shot altogether. 

How to practice those shots? U know those baskets at the 50m area at the driving range? practice pitching into or around them. try out diff wedges. and with a comfortable swing, see which wedge gives you that distance. 

That's how i learn my wedges. I also play with ball positioning and open/close clubface to get diff trajectory and spin. 

everyone of us is different. just cos 3 of ur flightmates use a 60* wedge from 60m in, doesn't mean you have to.
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:44 pm

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practicing a pitch shot is different from practicing a 3/4 shot of 90m or so type of length.

A pitch shot does not require the same amt of downswing force compared to a shot that is 80-90m as the technique for pitch shots r slightly diff. More often its tempo that is more impt in determining decent pitch contact.

Also for 30-40m, more ppl will benefit practicing pitch shots with their SW before progressing to LW for greater height n softer landing. 

U can ask 10 20+hdcpers what they r least confident using on the course. Other than the driver, the LW is often one of them.

Dun get me wrong in that 3/4 shots r not useful. But for the OP who has revealed his skill level somewhat, I am offering him an alt approach to improvement.

But we digress.
Spot on bro!

Due to the lack in practice time (and severely lack in talent), i can only practice 10-50m pitching with my 53. Anything other club i would only practice with full swing thoughts and execution.

Like i said earlier, i know that it is possible to execute various type of shots with the same iron. But i find it more confusing than helpful with the score. Not getting the desire result builds frustration to an already complicated game of golf.

Really appreciate all the response from all bros here. Very useful info indeed.

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:45 pm

Actually, I'm not sure why I'm debating shots with golfers who score in the 70s and low 80s.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:08 am

Technospaz wrote:
S70B wrote:
I can tell u for the general typical avg player, asking them to hit 3/4 shots or 1/2 shots is a taller order than asking them to hit full wedge shots.

Many a times, the common faults for the 90s-100s shooter will be to either try and steer the shot to the target...with non ideal results or even more so, decel on the downswing subconsciously becos they r not hitting a full shot, leading to mostly fat or topped shots.

Its good to practice such shots on the range but once on the course, its easier to have swing tots similar to 12 other clubs in ur bag rather than try to feel for distance when most ppl will naturally tense up.

How then does a golfer tackle a shot which is 30-40m in when the LW or SW gives them 60m with a full swing?

Try not to hit to 30-40m lor....

If not, use putter.... If u PRACTISE long enough, u will be good dnough

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:55 am

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exactly my thoughts. that's why i was looking for a G or 48/49 wedge to do a full swing to achieve 90-100m ... Very Happy 

but will try out the "choke down half grip open stance" method when i have a chance.

Try one and then the other before mixing both up to see how it works for you. Don't want to confuse yourself. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:37 pm

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Technospaz wrote:


How then does a golfer tackle a shot which is 30-40m in when the LW or SW gives them 60m with a full swing?

Try not to hit to 30-40m lor....

If not, use putter.... If u PRACTISE long enough, u will be good dnough

Very Happy Very Happy

Makes perfect sense, if we all can hit every shot like you do with no duffs or tops. Very Happy

TS, your answer lies in your question. Full swing 60m, then half swing (hip height/3 o'clock) will get you to 30m.

See if these two articles add some insight....

Adam Scott - How to hit all the shots, and make it look easy (Golf Digest)

Forget what you've learned -- this is the way to hit pitches, chips, lobs and sand shots (Golf Magazine)
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:28 pm

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exactly my thoughts. that's why i was looking for a G or 48/49 wedge to do a full swing to achieve 90-100m ... Very Happy 

but will try out the "choke down half grip open stance" method when i have a chance.

Try one and then the other before mixing both up to see how it works for you. Don't want to confuse yourself. Very Happy

Will try it out tonight at range.

thanks again! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:22 pm

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slinger wrote:
Technospaz wrote:


How then does a golfer tackle a shot which is 30-40m in when the LW or SW gives them 60m with a full swing?

Try not to hit to 30-40m lor....

If not, use putter.... If u PRACTISE long enough, u will be good dnough

Very Happy Very Happy

Makes perfect sense, if we all can hit every shot like you do with no duffs or tops. Very Happy

TS, your answer lies in your question. Full swing 60m, then half swing (hip height/3 o'clock) will get you to 30m.

See if these two articles add some insight....

Adam Scott - How to hit all the shots, and make it look easy (Golf Digest)

Forget what you've learned -- this is the way to hit pitches, chips, lobs and sand shots (Golf Magazine)

Bird, I agree. Which is why I asked how golfers who play all wedge shots at full swings can tackle short distances to the green. With my wedges, I rarely use full swings. I typically play 3/4 or 1/2 swings which (hopefully) give me better control of my shot resulting in improved accuracy and distance control.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:24 pm

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Bird, I agree. Which is why I asked how golfers who play all wedge shots at full swings can tackle short distances to the green. With my wedges, I rarely use full swings. I typically play 3/4 or 1/2 swings which (hopefully) give me better control of my shot resulting in improved accuracy and distance control.

Absolutely. The key here is tempo like what S70B mentioned earlier.

Anyways, my full swing is probably your 3/4 since I try not to let my hands go higher than my shoulders these days. Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:39 am

Met up with bro mrkatsucurry today at range. Tried the choke-down-open stance swing with my PW, result ok but definitely need lots of practice

Then mrkatsucurry strike me with a brilliant idea. Since i am using my 53 for anythin less than 80m, why don't i change its shaft to 1 inch longer and it should fetch me extra 10-15m. I might also go with extending the shaft instead 

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:44 am

Hope it works bro! 

Maybe this is the missing piece to breaking 100 for you
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:06 am

s-killer wrote:
Hi all,

My current set of iron is customized till P which is 44 degree in graphite shaft.

I am currently using a second hand wedge in 53 degree with DG spinner and i love it a lot.

Qns. Should i get myself a G with graphite shaft, or a 48/49 degree with DG Spinner shaft?

Thanks in advance !
 TF, get a similier brand 48deg wedge, using the same DG shaft, and u will have the gap covered.
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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:56 am

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Met up with bro mrkatsucurry today at range. Tried the choke-down-open stance swing with my PW, result ok but definitely need lots of practice

Then mrkatsucurry strike me with a brilliant idea. Since i am using my 53 for anythin less than 80m, why don't i change its shaft to 1 inch longer and it should fetch me extra 10-15m. I might also go with extending the shaft instead 

Very Happy

1) BTW, do you have a sand wedge? Or you are using this 53 deg for your sand bunker shot as well? What is the bounce on your 53 deg wedge?

2) Have you checked how much it would cost you to extend the shaft? (i.e. labour, material, grip, etc.)? Perhaps it is better off buying another wedge as nowadays wedge can be cheap if you know the source ...

3) If you extend your 53 deg wedge shaft, you may still need to choke down for chipping shot (less than 80m distance). In addition, the lie angle is affected ... Not sure if it will affect your end result. Qualified fitter can help you on that.

In conclusion, based on the above points, I am not sure your idea on extending the shaft of your 53 deg wedge makes practical or economic sense.

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PostSubject: Re: Should i get a G or 48 degree?   Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:45 am

the suggestion of extending the 53wedge whilst interesting, is somewhat risky. here are some comments for your consideration.

first, u should note that by extending it 1 inch, u are essentially making it the same length as your 9 or even 8 iron. So whenever u want to take a full swing with your 53, the 'difficulty' of the shot will be like hitting a 8 or 9iron

second, with extension, the swingweight of the club will increase significantly. so now the clubhead of your 53 will feel much heavier, and u may find it hard to get used to the feel

finally, like turbo said, you will usually want to choke down on your 53 to hit pitch or chip shots. so if u extend it, you may now have to choke down all the way past the grip, to the shaft
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