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PostSubject: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:18 pm

Dear all,

Might be a noob question to some but Anyone can enlighten?

For full swings especially with mid to long clubs, do people swing with hinge and hold method? Was told the compression is much better with that. 

If so, is there any release to mention?

Look forward to hear some opinions. Tks in adv.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:33 pm

Hinge and hold more for short clubs. Long clubs only god like skill can handle anyway. I dont have long clubs beyond 6 iron.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:49 pm

That that means lots of bros here have good skills. My longest iron is also 6 iron but I see many searching for 3irons n carry 4 irons as well. My thots are how come like that?
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:56 pm

haragolfer wrote:
Hinge and hold more for short clubs. Long clubs only god like skill can handle anyway. I dont have long clubs beyond 6 iron.
U mean u dun use Driver & FW?? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:06 pm

haragolfer wrote:
Hinge and hold more for short clubs. Long clubs only god like skill can handle anyway. I dont have long clubs beyond 6 iron.
Agreed! Wink
Its quite tough to execute a hinge n hold method fr 5i alr let alone a 4i!Shocked
But i do carry a 4i lately..Embarassed
Lovin' its feel bt cant really use hinge n hold method bt more of a wide arc swing plane as hybrid n FW instead.Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:15 pm

does it matter? do what's work for u, btw hinge and hold if you don't release quick enough it can cause some damages not only to game but to your wrist as well. Once wrist injured, it take long time to heal. Maybe when u are young it's take a short time, but when u get older it takes longer and longer.

I don't hinge unless I using lob wedges, last time someone told me wrist not strong enough not advisable. I don't have a strong wrist for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:50 pm

B8383B wrote:
Dear all,

Might be a noob question to some but Anyone can enlighten?

For full swings especially with mid to long clubs, do people swing with hinge and hold method? Was told the compression is much better with that. 

If so, is there any release to mention?

Look forward to hear some opinions. Tks in adv.
You mean hitting like a stinger shot in order to get a very penetrating trajectory?
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:46 am

In the context of a full swing, hinging and holding would be almost the same as a block or push since one is consciously holding off the release of the club.

If I'm not mistaken, evidence of a hinge and hold in the full swing would show up as an Arnold Palmer-like helicopter follow through.


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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:50 am

Turbo wrote:
B8383B wrote:
Dear all,

Might be a noob question to some but Anyone can enlighten?

For full swings especially with mid to long clubs, do people swing with hinge and hold method? Was told the compression is much better with that. 

If so, is there any release to mention?

Look forward to hear some opinions. Tks in adv.
You mean hitting like a stinger shot in order to get a very penetrating trajectory?
Maybe he meant pronation and supination of the wrist


Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:20 am

Thanks for all the inputs. 

I m confused if people do full swing with hinge n hold as I read that the compression is much better. 

Given the responses, it's likely that most agrees that the club would need to be released for full swings.

Now, anyone has good suggestions on replacement for 5i? I m having problem getting consistency for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:52 am

B8383B wrote:
Thanks for all the inputs. 

I m confused if people do full swing with hinge n hold as I read that the compression is much better. 

Given the responses, it's likely that most agrees that the club would need to be released for full swings.

Now, anyone has good suggestions on replacement for 5i? I m having problem getting consistency for it.
5i u can always replaced with a hybrid, but why don't you go see a coach how to hit the long iron more consistently because iron provide better accuracy then hybrid. Well that's at least for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:10 am

good day all, i no expert, if not mistaken ,compression comes from
'hitting down on the ball' ??? no ?
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:15 am

enwee wrote:
B8383B wrote:
Thanks for all the inputs. 

I m confused if people do full swing with hinge n hold as I read that the compression is much better. 

Given the responses, it's likely that most agrees that the club would need to be released for full swings.

Now, anyone has good suggestions on replacement for 5i? I m having problem getting consistency for it.
5i u can always replaced with a hybrid, but why don't you go see a coach how to hit the long iron more consistently because iron provide better accuracy then hybrid. Well that's at least for me.
Now i know... What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:20 am

blee wrote:
enwee wrote:
B8383B wrote:
Thanks for all the inputs. 

I m confused if people do full swing with hinge n hold as I read that the compression is much better. 

Given the responses, it's likely that most agrees that the club would need to be released for full swings.

Now, anyone has good suggestions on replacement for 5i? I m having problem getting consistency for it.
5i u can always replaced with a hybrid, but why don't you go see a coach how to hit the long iron more consistently because iron provide better accuracy then hybrid. Well that's at least for me.
Now i know... What a Face
U very good in both lah, bro blee
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:32 am

mulligan wrote:
good day all, i no expert, if not mistaken ,compression comes from
'hitting down on the ball' ??? no ?
Me aso nt an expert here. Laughing
hinge n hold will help to maintain the iron face dwn upon strikg the ball.Arrow
Bt to optima a gd smach factor in obtaing a full compression, one must able to maintain the club face dwn upon impact even after finish thru. Most golfers tend to add loft instead. Wink
I knw of few great kakis here does tat pretty well. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:10 pm

Not an expert but am hitting my long irons decently. Have not heard of the term hinge and hold but I've been advised to hit down on the ball or 'squeeze' the ball, not sure if talking about the same thing.

For my long irons, like 3I or 4I , I just swing a bit slower than usual, slowing the tempo helps a lot since the club head travels a wider circle, hence longer distance. Balance it also very important as easier to lose it. I try to visualize 'punching' the ball slightly in to out to complete the swing.

For the short irons or approach shots, I do a shortened or easy back swing and try to 'squeeze' the ball and make sure I take a divot after. Result is a very clean shot, flying slice of grass and a ball that sometimes spins back when hit the green.(good balls like PRO V).
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:40 pm

hkhamateur wrote:
mulligan wrote:
good day all, i no expert, if not mistaken ,compression comes from
'hitting down on the ball' ??? no ?
Me aso nt an expert here. Laughing
hinge n hold will help to maintain the iron face dwn upon strikg the ball.Arrow
Bt to optima a gd smach factor in obtaing a full compression, one must able to maintain the club face dwn upon impact even after finish thru. Most golfers tend to add loft instead. Wink
I knw of few great kakis here does tat pretty well. Very Happy
Ya, getting better compression is the objective of hinge n hold. 

Bro Enwee- yes, I m still taking lessons with a coach but somehow, don't like hitting 5irons n Abv cos I find it much harder to launch than a hybrid or wood. My coach says need to release club but I thot hinge n hold is the opposite with good results. 

I m confused again. To hinge n hold or not for full swings?
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:14 pm

First of all we have to understand the rational behind the hinge and hold method.

Hinge and Hold
Wrists hinge very early in the backswing, allowing the hands to lead the club at impact granted that you maintain the wrist angle and the club throughout the swing. Though this action creates good impact positions, it is a method used based around the theory that the clubface has little rotation on a more vertical plane, ideal for chipping. Though a motion that advocates accuracy, it is not dynamic enough for a full swing.

What is release?
Without dwelling into much technicality, the release of the club can be explained by the following practice.
Say if you held you golf club at stomach height, standing upright like a baseball player and swung, how would u create the most speed?
Resisting the rotation of the forearms and clubface? Probably not. That's how release comes about, by letting the club travel at its fastest speed without any hinderence. 

I hope this helps

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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:33 pm

Thanks Pro for the clarification. I think I got what u mean.
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:10 am

Peterinjb wrote:
Not an expert but am hitting my long irons decently. Have not heard of the term hinge and hold but I've been advised to hit down on the ball or 'squeeze' the ball, not sure if talking about the same thing.

For my long irons, like 3I or 4I , I just swing a bit slower than usual, slowing the tempo helps a lot since the club head travels a wider circle, hence longer distance. Balance it also very important as easier to lose it. I try to visualize 'punching' the ball slightly in to out to complete the swing.

For the short irons or approach shots, I do a shortened or easy back swing and try to 'squeeze' the ball and make sure I take a divot after. Result is a very clean shot, flying slice of grass and a ball that sometimes spins back when hit the green.(good balls like PRO V).
bro hope this old vid help clarify:)
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PostSubject: Re: Full swings hinge & hold   Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:39 am

Haha even the pros dont agree what is a hinge. Pete Cowen would call the left wrist hinge mentioned in the video above as a wrist cock. He would say cock left wrist, hinge right wrist back.
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