Long game more important than short game?
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:04 pm|| |
Why is it that nobody talks about SCRAMBLING ~ if nothing else works, this better be working BIG time....
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:09 pm|| |
Long game is most important. short game can learn....can harness....long game, no talent means no way
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:22 pm|| |
Both equally important. But I would give more emphasis to the short game for the purpose of scrambling if I have a decent length off the tee e.g. 200-220m.
If you possess a decent iron shots already......
....A good long game will give you more reassurance in terms of your 2nd shot i.e. iron shots.
If dun have stable iron shots and you dun have a good length off the tee, then you would be in trouble for your next shot as most likely you will be using the woods.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:57 pm|| |
I won't agree either is more important than which.
I have played with players of different levels and experience.
My personal opinion is, the 2nd shot (and 3rd for par 5) after the tee is more pivotal...
I have seen long hitters bombing in front, but, their games are often destroyed by their 2nd shots.. Either too heavy and balls rolled 50m, or toppish or wayward etc..
Reversely, short drivers off the tee, though say 190m only, but with a deadly hybrid which often than not put the ball on the green or close to it.. Worst score for a 380m Par 4 would be a bogey..
Thus, I would advocate, as long the drives are reasonable of length, I would dedicate a lot of attention on the 2nd and 3rd shots...
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:13 am|| |
Drive for show, putt for dough.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:56 am|| |
To be clear, while I think that arriving is more important than driving, I'm certain that driving onto the short grass is key. I'm not looking for distance but if you can put your ball on the fairway, that gives you a huge advantage.
So, in terms on long game, I'd say dispersion beats distance.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:52 am|| |
After reading through the posts, it makes me think that some catergorise iron and wedge play under short game? Shouldn't it be like anything before a regulations on green be long game, be it a 3 shots to a par5, 2 shots to a par4 and 1 shot to par3.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:01 am|| |
What is average driving distance for all players? I read somewhere that the average drive is only 180m despite all the improvement in technology.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:10 am|| |
Probably need to take into account the age group cause the average is average men i suppose
- jmchan wrote:
- What is average driving distance for all players? I read somewhere that the average drive is only 180m despite all the improvement in technology.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:31 am|| |
i keep hearing stories from my friends who play with 'old uncle' that cannot drive far (only 180-200m), cannot GIR, but their 1 chip 1 putt is deadly accurate. Some 'uncle' may' even come back with low 80s or even high 70s score from blue ..
so i think the 2nd shot onwards is more important. for driver, accuracy is more important than distance.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:34 am|| |
I have a friend who is 50 this year but still drives 270m to 290m.
Age is not a key point, it's the technique and fitness of the person.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:38 am|| |
Many of us mistaken long game as only driver off the tee.
To me, long game is any shot, including 2nd, even 3rd shot, scrambling shot that utilise my long irons or above, to put the ball on the green.
A good long game would means ability to hit long clubs accurately.
A good short game would means ability to hit short clubs accurately.
The article is referring to shots saving, and for the matter, long game is more important than short game. A good long game saves more shots than good short game. A good long game will give us chance of birdie and par. A good short game would means likely a par.
A good drive followed by a 2nd top shot, would means disaster. It could simply means long game is no good. If long game is good, a GIR is quite possible.
A not so good drive, followed by a good hybrid shot to green, means the long game is good.
Long game is difficult, often than not, we rely on good short game to save our errand long game. Hence we think short game is more important. Can you Imagine your long game is as sharp as your short game? Which will save more shots?
We see the PGA pro, their long game is so good that their scoring is mostly from long game. Short game is only to save par.
During the Barclays, I see the pro practice a lot with their long clubs and they are dead accurate.
I must say long game is really not easy, needs lots more practice than short game.
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|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:49 am|| |
Thanks for this, interesting points raised here!
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Join date: 2009-08-26
|Subject: Re: Long game more important than short game? Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:17 am|| |
This is certainly a very very good discussion.
Short game can refers to putting, chipping, pitching, greenside bunker or any other wedge shot from 100m in.
Long game thus refers to driver, woods, hybird etc.
If your long game is very good, you will most prob GIR most of the time and hence less emphasy on the short game. Why??? Cos if you GIR most of the time.....there is no need to pitch or chip.
Even if u cannot GIR, you are most likely at the fringe whereby a simple chip putt will put the ball on the green.
Note, I am saying good long game, not those whereby can drive 250m but then hit his 130m 8 iron fat/thin/duff.....This is not good long game but rather a good driver off the tee.
Conversely, if your short game is very good, you are mostly likely the type whereby from 100m in, you can up and down most of the time. That means from 100m in, you can either chip, pitch or whatever to 1 on and then follow by 1 putt.
If you have this kind of game, you are taking a lot of pressure off your long game.
Why? Because u know that you do not have to drive very long as you have a reliable short game.
This will normally cause you to be less stress and hence lead to a much better overall long game.
As you can see, both are equally as important. The importance of each is relative to a player depending on his current standard of play.
However, I do think that in order to have a good long game, you will need to spend much more time and also talent plays a part.
On the other hand, I believe most if not all mortals like us can have a reasonable good short game. Think of it this way, if you cannot control a ball within 100m, what makes u think you can fare much better when the way is 300m out?
Do not misunderstood me. Short game needs practice time as well. If you do not practice or play enuff, you will lose the sharpness. Though you may have the fundamentals, but feel plays an impt role in short game.
That leads me to conclude that you need to invest time and effort to play a reasonable good game. If you cannot afford the commitment, then I would strongly suggest practicing the short game as it takes less time and effort to have a reasonable short game....and most imprtantly it will make your game more enjoyable.
Once again, just my view.....it could be just bull to you
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