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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:38 pm

change of player name was done during registration.
the person was not saying a joking manner.
thats why i pointed it out..
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:45 pm

Maybe for those who want to be really good golfers and prove yourself in tournaments; you should go play in a tournament where only gross scores count? No strokes/ handicaps. That way, no need to wonder how people managed to score exceptionally well, when you can't albino
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:53 pm

ChrisD wrote:
neutralgolfer wrote:
In such tournament, organizer should not allow buddies in same flight, they should assign flight details and request for exchange of score cards to avoid such "sandbaggers". They should also check that hcp without submission for the past few months (not properly maintained) be playing at 60-80%.

However, I know many organizers will not do that as their interests is either to make $$$ or just to please their customers.

It boils down to the organizers how they want to run the tournament, I guess.
its doesnt helps, there was once when i signed on a score of 86 for my buggy mate, he went to change to 79 and submitted. eventaully he got champion and $500 NTuC CASH VOUCHER. I went over and congrats him on his magic ttick.
lol why congrats? should have reported him to the organizer lor. thats beyond sandbagging
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:57 pm

ChrisD wrote:
I have played in the SSG tournament around 2 years ago.
I came in first and there were some shouting of my HCP declaration from the floor.
I went over to the MC and told him that I didn't want the prize(boxes of golf balls) and trophy as I was replacing someone playing for the tournament.
However my HCP at that moment was higher than what was declared by the former participant.
The person who voices out loudly didn't even know me or play with me before but rebuke that I over declare my HCP. He is also a forumer here.
what was your hcap used at the tournament? what was your differential (or net score against par) and your total points to come out first?
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:01 pm

pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
neutralgolfer wrote:
In such tournament, organizer should not allow buddies in same flight, they should assign flight details and request for exchange of score cards to avoid such "sandbaggers". They should also check that hcp without submission for the past few months (not properly maintained) be playing at 60-80%.

However, I know many organizers will not do that as their interests is either to make $$$ or just to please their customers.

It boils down to the organizers how they want to run the tournament, I guess.
its doesnt helps, there was once when i signed on a score of 86 for my buggy mate, he went to change to 79 and submitted. eventaully he got champion and $500 NTuC CASH VOUCHER. I went over and congrats him on his magic ttick.
lol why congrats? should have reported him to the organizer lor. thats beyond sandbagging
Even if he is my friend, i will report to the organisers..

thats CHEATING
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:12 pm

i always play in NSRCC

and i always see this guy, a very distinctive guy cos of his facial features, who also plays in tournaments in NSRCC

I once joined flight with him and we sat in the same buggy. i was playing off 18 and he told me he was playing off 13. His game was no where near the 13. he finished the game with plenty of missed fairways, lost balls and duff chips and iron shots. ok he had a bad day.

A few weeks later i bumped into him again and joined flight together with him again. ok same game. maybe another bad day. what are the chances?

1 - 2 Months later, he happened to win a tournament in NSRcc under Cat A or overall winner (i don't remember), think it was the NSday tournament where we had to repair divots before we tee off

his gross score was 75.

there is NO way he could have scored 75 with the way he line up his shots, his chips, or his drives. i also choose to believe that there is NO WAY he can improve so much within 1 - 2 months. i mean, if a person can play a 75, and if you are seasoned golfer, you will be able to recognise the fundamentals that a golfer will have to show that he is a 70s player. i saw none of that in that golfer

And i remember that, that was not the only tournament he won. and yes, the same old kakis in his flight
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:25 pm

pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
I have played in the SSG tournament around 2 years ago.
I came in first and there were some shouting of my HCP declaration from the floor.
I went over to the MC and told him that I didn't want the prize(boxes of golf balls) and trophy as I was replacing someone playing for the tournament.
However my HCP at that moment was higher than what was declared by the former participant.
The person who voices out loudly didn't even know me or play with me before but rebuke that I over declare my HCP. He is also a forumer here.
what was your hcap used at the tournament? what was your differential (or net score against par) and your total points to come out first?
Declared 14, SSG also has a 80% of actual HCP so tournament HCP was 11.2. Play off white at OCC. came back 79 with 3 birdies all from par 5.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:44 pm

andrew-golf wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
neutralgolfer wrote:
In such tournament, organizer should not allow buddies in same flight, they should assign flight details and request for exchange of score cards to avoid such "sandbaggers". They should also check that hcp without submission for the past few months (not properly maintained) be playing at 60-80%.

However, I know many organizers will not do that as their interests is either to make $$$ or just to please their customers.

It boils down to the organizers how they want to run the tournament, I guess.
its doesnt helps, there was once when i signed on a score of 86 for my buggy mate, he went to change to 79 and submitted. eventaully he got champion and $500 NTuC CASH VOUCHER. I went over and congrats him on his magic ttick.
lol why congrats? should have reported him to the organizer lor. thats beyond sandbagging
Even if he is my friend, i will report to the organisers..

thats CHEATING
Bro Andrew, 
Things happen in a sudden as I didn't know he changed his score until I saw him on stage getting the prize. Probably too late to do anything, by going up and telling him, nice win and great magic there, it will at least make him aware that he don't deserve to win.

Just one incident at SICC, a participant playing a par 5 and recorded  an double eagle, he was caught of his wrong doings as the hole was not even reachable in 2 by local pros. This participant was the champion of the day. Protest was lodged after the announcement, but organizer decided to let the matter rest.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:46 pm

ChrisD wrote:
andrew-golf wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
neutralgolfer wrote:
In such tournament, organizer should not allow buddies in same flight, they should assign flight details and request for exchange of score cards to avoid such "sandbaggers". They should also check that hcp without submission for the past few months (not properly maintained) be playing at 60-80%.

However, I know many organizers will not do that as their interests is either to make $$$ or just to please their customers.

It boils down to the organizers how they want to run the tournament, I guess.
its doesnt helps, there was once when i signed on a score of 86 for my buggy mate, he went to change to 79 and submitted. eventaully he got champion and $500 NTuC CASH VOUCHER. I went over and congrats him on his magic ttick.
lol why congrats? should have reported him to the organizer lor. thats beyond sandbagging
Even if he is my friend, i will report to the organisers..

thats CHEATING
Bro Andrew, 
Things happen in a sudden as I didn't know he changed his score until I saw him on stage getting the prize. Probably too late to do anything, by going up and telling him, nice win and great magic there, it will at least make him aware that he don't deserve to win.

Just one incident at SICC, a participant playing a par 5 and recorded  an double eagle, he was caught of his wrong doings as the hole was not even reachable in 2 by local pros. This participant was the champion of the day. Protest was lodged after the announcement, but organizer decided to let the matter rest.

like that also can
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:07 pm

interesting read... the pencil is indeed more powerful than the shaft!

can anyone tell me why singapore tournaments always tee off from white whereas across in JB they tee off from blue?
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:14 pm

jeffman88 wrote:
interesting read... the pencil is indeed more powerful than the shaft!

can anyone tell me why singapore tournaments always tee off from white whereas across in JB they tee off from blue?
Does it matter??? Blue or white even from the moon, also will lose to the pencil.lol!
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:24 pm

ChrisD wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
I have played in the SSG tournament around 2 years ago.
I came in first and there were some shouting of my HCP declaration from the floor.
I went over to the MC and told him that I didn't want the prize(boxes of golf balls) and trophy as I was replacing someone playing for the tournament.
However my HCP at that moment was higher than what was declared by the former participant.
The person who voices out loudly didn't even know me or play with me before but rebuke that I over declare my HCP. He is also a forumer here.
what was your hcap used at the tournament? what was your differential (or net score against par) and your total points to come out first?
Declared 14, SSG also has a 80% of actual HCP so tournament HCP was 11.2. Play off white at OCC. came back 79 with 3 birdies all from par 5.
okay so the odds of a -4 (4 under) net score for a 11 hcap is only 1 in 120 rounds. It's like once every 2 yrs, not that unusual. That is a great score, but not so exceptional that warrants questions. Very Happy 

that said, you're a single hcap now right? Maybe your reputation as strong player preceded you. People dont believe you were 14 mah hahaha I always thought you're high single hcap Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:43 pm

Like what ppl always said drive for show, putt for dough.
Oh yes I am still single.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:47 pm

pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
I have played in the SSG tournament around 2 years ago.
I came in first and there were some shouting of my HCP declaration from the floor.
I went over to the MC and told him that I didn't want the prize(boxes of golf balls) and trophy as I was replacing someone playing for the tournament.
However my HCP at that moment was higher than what was declared by the former participant.
The person who voices out loudly didn't even know me or play with me before but rebuke that I over declare my HCP. He is also a forumer here.
what was your hcap used at the tournament? what was your differential (or net score against par) and your total points to come out first?
Declared 14, SSG also has a 80% of actual HCP so tournament HCP was 11.2. Play off white at OCC. came back 79 with 3 birdies all from par 5.
okay so the odds of a -4 (4 under) net score for a 11 hcap is only 1 in 120 rounds. It's like once every 2 yrs, not that unusual. That is a great score, but not so exceptional that warrants questions. Very Happy 

that said, you're a single hcap now right? Maybe your reputation as strong player preceded you. People dont believe you were 14 mah hahaha I always thought you're high single hcap Laughing
Anyone who has seen him drive will think about hanging up their clubs.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:50 pm

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Maybe for those who want to be really good golfers and prove yourself in tournaments; you should go play in a tournament where only gross scores count? No strokes/ handicaps. That way, no need to wonder how people managed to score exceptionally well, when you can't albino
Totally agree with grandmaster, but somehow will still lose to a pencil player.
So much so, go out to play golf, enjoy the game with flight mates, whether you win or not to these pencil players doesn't really matter.
They will get their retribution sooner or later.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:18 pm

I was told that a person's character is reflective on how he/she plays golf. Its actually quite humiliating knowing that a cheater won a tournament with a bogus score. If this is the case, why cant the cheater just buy his own trophies instead of depriving honest golfers a chance to win?
Karma is a bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:28 pm

sob wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
pushslice wrote:
ChrisD wrote:
I have played in the SSG tournament around 2 years ago.
I came in first and there were some shouting of my HCP declaration from the floor.
I went over to the MC and told him that I didn't want the prize(boxes of golf balls) and trophy as I was replacing someone playing for the tournament.
However my HCP at that moment was higher than what was declared by the former participant.
The person who voices out loudly didn't even know me or play with me before but rebuke that I over declare my HCP. He is also a forumer here.
what was your hcap used at the tournament? what was your differential (or net score against par) and your total points to come out first?
Declared 14, SSG also has a 80% of actual HCP so tournament HCP was 11.2. Play off white at OCC. came back 79 with 3 birdies all from par 5.
okay so the odds of a -4 (4 under) net score for a 11 hcap is only 1 in 120 rounds. It's like once every 2 yrs, not that unusual. That is a great score, but not so exceptional that warrants questions. Very Happy 

that said, you're a single hcap now right? Maybe your reputation as strong player preceded you. People dont believe you were 14 mah hahaha I always thought you're high single hcap Laughing
Anyone who has seen him drive will think about hanging up their clubs.
Sob, I agree with you, watching how pushslice drive makes me want to hang my clubs.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:42 pm

Ouch!

Don't think that dig at PushSlice was necessary ChrisD.

Play nice. White Flag 
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:12 pm

i think he meant PS hits the ball darn far... Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:43 pm

This is a great discussion. So many good points being made.
Guys, I have a question for you. If you wanted to organise a tournament to pick S'pore's best amateur players, handicap (0-5), (6-10), (11-15), (16-20) and (21 and above), how would you do it?
What would be the best way to avoid buayas and really pick honest and good players in their handicap categories? (One player per handicap category)
This is not just a hypothetical question. I am doing research for a tournament that is going to be organised next year.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:19 pm

Play 4 rounds each using the day's system 36 to determine the day's handicap.
Average the 4 days score and slot each players according to the ave of the 4 days handicap.

There, you will have players being slotted into the correct category.
As to picking the best players in respective category, depends on whether u are looking for strokeplay or stableford kind of player.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:22 pm

cmonah23 wrote:
This is a great discussion. So many good points being made.
Guys, I have a question for you. If you wanted to organise a tournament to pick S'pore's best amateur players, handicap (0-5), (6-10), (11-15), (16-20) and (21 and above), how would you do it?
What would be the best way to avoid buayas and really pick honest and good players in their handicap categories? (One player per handicap category)
This is not just a hypothetical question. I am doing research for a tournament that is going to be organised next year.
Remb there s one tourney I took part in n was organised by SAF at Ponderosa, JB. Its syst.36 stableford bt on blind holes selection & calculation.cyclops
Seemed to be fair..Very Happy 
Might help you in gettg start in a proper way.Cool
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:08 pm

skybobo wrote:
Play 4 rounds each using the day's system 36 to determine the day's handicap.
Average the 4 days score and slot each players according to the ave of the 4 days handicap.

There, you will have players being slotted into the correct category.
As to picking the best players in respective category, depends on whether u are looking for strokeplay or stableford kind of player.
Thanks. To answer the question, it would be to look for strokeplay players. There could be first round qualifiers (played at different clubs) and then a final round to determine the champs.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:48 am

hkhamateur wrote:
TDO wrote:
pushslice wrote:
The odds of 15hcap playing 9 differential under hcap in a tournament is 1 in over 3500 rounds. You tell me. 

TDO, no doubt your friend played 52 points if you witnessed it. However, its not abt cheating on the scorecard. The odds of a 10 under below hcap is 1 in 37 thousands or over 80 thousands rounds depending on his declared hcap. Thats why people jeer, and there is merit in that jeer. Your friend declared hcap should have been much lower.

https://www.usga.org/playing/handicaps/understanding_handicap/articles/deanstable.html
PS, that guy who scored 52 points is not my friend, fortunately or unfortunately. If I recall correctly, his declared hcp was 18. But, yes, sometimes, such sudden increase in skills do happen. And like you said, the odds are very high. So only that guy or his friends knows his capability and ability to play that score.
TDO, think we re in the same tourney as I witnessed this 52pts guy went on stage to collect his trophy..pale
Yes, a 18hcper! Shocked Shocked
Ooo! Didn't know you were there too. But yeah, people slow clapped for that guy. "Congrats!" Shocked to him for the 52 points.
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PostSubject: Re: What is an incredibly good, and hard to believe Stableford score?   Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:15 am

Guys, while we question the integrity of those who've raked in really high Stableford points, let us not discount the possibility that sometimes, however rare, magic takes place on the course. There are days where everything just clicks. It's almost mystical how every shot we hit finds its way to where we want it to be. Even wayward shots snag a branch, rock or offending lamppost and somehow ricochet back onto the fairway. Those are the days we golfers live for and if it happens to take place during a tournament, so be it.

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