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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:43 pm

Bro TS, congrats...you had done a very thorough requirements gathering based on your needs.....so all needed now is to operationalize it....look forward to a 'surprise' in our next game.....
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:05 pm

so i wonder where the worlds best iron forger forged their irons. also recently tried the MP58, a mini step forward in technology and a major step backward in feel.

btw have anyone heard of an AP3?

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:00 pm

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in a nutshell, forged irons can be tailored to suit a golfer's swing in terms of the lie and loft angles while cast irons are fixed set which little can be done to tailor the golfer's needs.

hope this helps

All my cast irons have been adjusted........ the bottom line is you want a set that suits your eye at address and gets the ball in the hole in the least amount of hits........ Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:44 pm

I think club fitting is useful (and possibly essential), regardless of whether you're using cast or forged irons.

But forged irons... if hit nicely... SWEET!! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:51 pm

Technospaz wrote:
I think club fitting is useful (and possibly essential), regardless of whether you're using cast or forged irons.

But forged irons... if hit nicely... SWEET!! Smile

Hehe sounds like you have already made your descion Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:53 pm

shorthitter wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
I think club fitting is useful (and possibly essential), regardless of whether you're using cast or forged irons.

But forged irons... if hit nicely... SWEET!! Smile

Hehe sounds like you have already made your descion Very Happy

All I wanna do is to play Swing Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:57 pm

Forged irons are more adjustable. Eg. you might be able to go 4° flat. Unlike cast irons. I just re-did my lie (again!) today at BM for 50 quid. Try doing that with a cast iron club and I think you'll probably spend another 500 quid on a new set.

TS: I was thinking about your issues and it may be you have developed some undesirable habits in your swing. I am going through a rough patch too myself now as I have developed strange habits that I never had before. A coach will cure the problem so if you want to spend $$$, then get a good coach. Shorthitter, RSC, Tendy are all good coaches - dun think I need to tell you because you already know!
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:05 pm

I don't know if forged irons are more adjustable but it does make sense since the material is softer. That said, I think that getting fitted is quite key. If only I did this before.

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:49 pm

Bro, March Is Zeems a good month to bUy the New irOn sets...
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:15 am

Just to share; i have both forge (MP33) and cast (R7). Initially, I was using the MP33. Adjusted these forge irons by a club fitter sometime ago; tuned 3 degrees for lie and almost 5 degress for loft based on my swing pane. I was playing well after that but for awhile. More and more times, i shanked my balls with an 8 iron. Sweet spots were harder to find due to forge is less forgiving. So, I switched to the cast R7. my game improved immediately after that. in less than 3 months, i saw my handicap cut by 5!

Don't jump into conclusion so fast; as I am also struggling with my cast iron set! Of late, i have developed some bad habits and there is no distance for all shots!

To think aloud, I have started on the wrong footing; my 2 cents advice would be to start off with cast irons. They are more forgiving and easier to play. As your swing mature, and play more confidently, you can then consider a forge set. But remember, forge is more demending, you have to be striking the ball really well to fully benefit from such a delicate iron!

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:25 am

bskt is right. The thing about forged blades/semi blades are that they FORCE you to train harder. Effectively makes you a better player.
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:27 am

jimmychoo wrote:
ironhead wrote:
but scientific research has shown that the hardness difference in a metal alone is not enough to create a difference in impact feel. All of the other factors listed above are the reason for differences in the feel of shots hit with one club vs. another.
All these reseacher are not golfer. How can you believe them? Very Happy

ironhead wrote:

don believe me? ask the R&A Equipment testing Director Steve Otto and his testing Robot!
Can a Robot feel? Smile

some also believe forged hit farther, shape shot better, less forgiving etc , tht's where the robot testing comes into the equation. In truth, the sound fr impact probably exerts the most influence on the perception of the so called soft feel. The bottom line here is tht this forged vs cast debate has existed many moons long before we even picked up a golf club and they will never come to an agreement. On a simplistic term, measuring softness will require pressure pressing on something and for tht something to change shape and give way to the pressure. So, until the day when a golf ball can physically produce a structural change on the hitting surface on a club, I will stand firm on my ground.

p/s just my humble opinion.


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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:28 am

there seems to be a overwhelming belief that forged is less forgiving than cast irons.

However, I seriously think that this is not totally correct.

A forged perimeter weighted cavity irons such as those mizuno mxs are in no way harder to use than those tm cast irons.

Likewise, I am sure if you cast a blade design, it would be in no way easier to use than a forged cavity. Some cast irons set with terribly thin soles are also very difficult to use.

Thus it is the design of the club rather than casting or forging process that makes the club forgiving or less forgiving.

The belief could stem from the fact that all the more difficult clubs are normally forged thus making people feel that forged is harder to use. With more advanced technology, it is possible to have forged irons for those perimeter weighted clubs.

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:51 am

Oi TS, get it lah. I dun see it being anymore difficult to hit than a cast R7 or Ping S57/i15.

Must compare apples to apples. Not GI to Super GI. If you want to 'upgrade' to 300s or 58s from lets say Callaway Fusion irons, then u must be prepared to up the ballstriking cap cos it sure wun be the same.

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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:47 am

My irons aren't forged but I've heard that forged blades gives the soft buttery feel as compared to cast irons.

Personally I've never tried forged blades. Can anyone attest to that? Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:01 am

I've tested forged blades and yes, there's a lovely soft buttery feeling when the ball is struck right. It feels almost natural.

In the meantime, WTS:


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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:29 am

Totally support this argument.... Beer

That is why the widely believe that Forged irons are more difficult to play.





sunny wrote:
there seems to be a overwhelming belief that forged is less forgiving than cast irons.

However, I seriously think that this is not totally correct.

A forged perimeter weighted cavity irons such as those mizuno mxs are in no way harder to use than those tm cast irons.

Likewise, I am sure if you cast a blade design, it would be in no way easier to use than a forged cavity. Some cast irons set with terribly thin soles are also very difficult to use.

Thus it is the design of the club rather than casting or forging process that makes the club forgiving or less forgiving.

The belief could stem from the fact that all the more difficult clubs are normally forged thus making people feel that forged is harder to use. With more advanced technology, it is possible to have forged irons for those perimeter weighted clubs.
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:42 am

sigh... forged still sound so complicated....

guess i will stick to my cast for the time being....

cast n oversized!! tht's the way to go...... for me... Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:32 pm

Technospaz wrote:
I've tested forged blades and yes, there's a lovely soft buttery feeling when the ball is struck right. It feels almost natural.

In the meantime, WTS:


Haha, I din get it until I saw ur sale thread.

Mine's the Aerolite III mate, slightly different design from the DLX.
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PostSubject: Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons - A Mizuno perspective   Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:12 pm

sunny wrote:
there seems to be a overwhelming belief that forged is less forgiving than cast irons.

However, I seriously think that this is not totally correct.

A forged perimeter weighted cavity irons such as those mizuno mxs are in no way harder to use than those tm cast irons.

Likewise, I am sure if you cast a blade design, it would be in no way easier to use than a forged cavity. Some cast irons set with terribly thin soles are also very difficult to use.

Thus it is the design of the club rather than casting or forging process that makes the club forgiving or less forgiving.

The belief could stem from the fact that all the more difficult clubs are normally forged thus making people feel that forged is harder to use. With more advanced technology, it is possible to have forged irons for those perimeter weighted clubs.

I totally agree. The difference in 'feel' comes more from whether it is a CB or MB or like what you've mentioned, the design of the club eg. thinner soles compared to fatter soles etc...rather than the material or manufacturing process.
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