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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:25 pm

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned taking too long to look for lost balls in the bushes / rough / hazards etc...

Also, a 5-foot putt can take a lot longer to line up and hit than a 150m iron! Especially when there is some $$$ on the table Smile

Agree. Have seen golfers looking for lost balls, like for ages.
Sometimes feel like going up to them and tell them I'll give them new ones if they will move on. If only. LOL..

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:25 pm

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more likely, slowness is a result of making poor decisions.  I may suggest even, that clear simple decisions we make on line and target that we can commit to will result in faster golf.

That why I have to take extra seconds to check my line, setup while playing with you to minimize any mistakes.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:27 pm

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timlim wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned taking too long to look for lost balls in the bushes / rough / hazards etc...

Also, a 5-foot putt can take a lot longer to line up and hit than a 150m iron! Especially when there is some $$$ on the table Smile

Agree. Have seen golfers looking for lost balls, like for ages.
Sometimes feel like going up to them and tell them I'll give them new ones if they will move on. If only. LOL..
Bo bian sister, they hit too long cannot see where it land, unlike u always long and always on the fairway...... Beer 
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:46 pm

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timlim wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned taking too long to look for lost balls in the bushes / rough / hazards etc...

Also, a 5-foot putt can take a lot longer to line up and hit than a 150m iron! Especially when there is some $$$ on the table Smile

Agree. Have seen golfers looking for lost balls, like for ages.
Sometimes feel like going up to them and tell them I'll give them new ones if they will move on. If only. LOL..

I will take you up on that!  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:12 pm

I used to rush a lot when I first started. Always worried about slow play and affecting others. But that caused bad shots and resulted in more shots making. Kenna scolded by a friend that my rushing is actually slowing down the whole flight. 

He advice that take whatever routines, information sourcing u need between your mates' turns, so u can always play ready golf.  Not by rushing your game... It has worked for me so far... At a comfortable pace to all...  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:14 pm

I say look around you - if you see your flightmates looking exasperated, it's probably because you're taking longer than necessary. Remember that every minute more you take than others, you deprive them of the same. Simply, people have to speed up to accommodate your slow play.

But in the end, I also advocate some patience and tolerance. Yes, slowplay is bad but there are times when no matter what we do, it's just a shitty day. We can try our best but the balls just don't want to be found. You think you've hit a sterling shot and it ends up plugged. Those days do happen to the best of us. Ultimately, tough as it may be, be nice and understanding Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:53 pm

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I tend to agree with Asahi that RF's more often than not slow the average golfer down

When it's someone's turn to play they should have already processed all the shot information you need (distance, wind and club selection etc.) and be starting their pre shot routine once the last played ball has come to a stop.

Far too many golfers begin the process of gathering and processing information only after it has become their turn to play. Then add the time needed for a pre shot routine and it can lead to a minute or more per shot whilst everyone is waiting for them to play.

I'm also not sure by taking more time you are likely to have a better score. Lets say your average score is 100 and it takes you say 1 minute to play each shot, that's 100 minutes of people waiting for you to hit. If you took 20 seconds longer per shot by thinking you would improve by 20 shots (a massive improvement from shooting 80 against your normal 100) it would add 6 minutes extra to the time people are waiting for you to hit during the round (80 shots x 80 seconds each)!! Conversely if you sped up and took 20 seconds less per shot and played a poor 120, you could save everyone 20 minutes of waiting!
Wow this is super good analysis and example.

Makes sense!
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:53 pm

What happened if this fellow slows you down?
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:17 pm

Just my thoughts, golf was suppose to be a relaxing game where businessman talk about deals and army generals talk about units performance and such.  And for the average human, will be a gathering of friends to catch up with each other.. How it evolve into a state where relax play is a sin ?

Granted, if you are the flight behind, then you will be so eager to swing your clubs that you will want the flight in front to hurry up.  Then you got pissed because the flight is still not hurrying up.  The you spoil your own day and increased your blood pressure.


So you can see, it cuts both way .... 

But then again, my thoughts, if you are in a hurry, then why play golf, where you do not have control of the time ?  

So, again, my thoughts, the fast golfers, exercise some patience and grace, don't forget, you were slow once, many years ago.  For the slow golfers, do not feel hurried, for "more haste less speed".

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:39 pm

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Just my thoughts, golf was suppose to be a relaxing game where businessman talk about deals and army generals talk about units performance and such.  And for the average human, will be a gathering of friends to catch up with each other.. How it evolve into a state where relax play is a sin ?

Granted, if you are the flight behind, then you will be so eager to swing your clubs that you will want the flight in front to hurry up.  Then you got pissed because the flight is still not hurrying up.  The you spoil your own day and increased your blood pressure.


So you can see, it cuts both way .... 

But then again, my thoughts, if you are in a hurry, then why play golf, where you do not have control of the time ?  

So, again, my thoughts, the fast golfers, exercise some patience and grace, don't forget, you were slow once, many years ago.  For the slow golfers, do not feel hurried, for "more haste less speed".

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Etiquette of golf for both R and A and USGA websites states to keep up with pace with the group in front. If a group loses a hole it should invite the following group to pass. 
If you want to take a leisurely stroll, do it at the park where no one will push you.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:31 pm

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Just my thoughts, golf was suppose to be a relaxing game where businessman talk about deals and army generals talk about units performance and such.  And for the average human, will be a gathering of friends to catch up with each other.. How it evolve into a state where relax play is a sin ?

Granted, if you are the flight behind, then you will be so eager to swing your clubs that you will want the flight in front to hurry up.  Then you got pissed because the flight is still not hurrying up.  The you spoil your own day and increased your blood pressure.


So you can see, it cuts both way .... 

But then again, my thoughts, if you are in a hurry, then why play golf, where you do not have control of the time ?  

So, again, my thoughts, the fast golfers, exercise some patience and grace, don't forget, you were slow once, many years ago.  For the slow golfers, do not feel hurried, for "more haste less speed".

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If you're saying all golfers should relax and not let a slow group antagonise you, then you're spot on...the whole point of golf is to enjoy some fresh air and the company of your flightmates.....and hopefully, earn a little bit from golf bets to buy beer and chicken wings at the end of the round......

If you're saying a 5 hour round is ok and there's no need to keep pace with the group in front, then I would truly hate to be in the flight behind you ...i enjoy a nice relaxing round of golf (ie ready golf that keeps up with the flight in front of me) but am conscious that I am not the only one on the course...there are others behind you...if you want to relax, cut deals or discuss battle strategies, do it at the 19th hole.......
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:53 pm

My personal "guidelines":

(1) If no flight waiting behind you: Take all the time you want to smell the flowers.

(2) If flight is waiting behind you, but you are keeping good pace with flight ahead: Try to keep the pace and just make sure you don't become the bottleneck.

(3) If flight is waiting behind you, no flight ahead of you, and/or you are behind pace: Try to speed up or let the flight behind through.

Of course, time keeping is not the only etiquette to observe. Keeping pace is no excuse for leaving divots unfilled and bunkers unraked. Nor should safety of yourself and others be compromised.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:56 pm

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Just my thoughts, golf was suppose to be a relaxing game where businessman talk about deals and army generals talk about units performance and such.  And for the average human, will be a gathering of friends to catch up with each other.. How it evolve into a state where relax play is a sin ?

Granted, if you are the flight behind, then you will be so eager to swing your clubs that you will want the flight in front to hurry up.  Then you got pissed because the flight is still not hurrying up.  The you spoil your own day and increased your blood pressure.


So you can see, it cuts both way .... 

But then again, my thoughts, if you are in a hurry, then why play golf, where you do not have control of the time ?  

So, again, my thoughts, the fast golfers, exercise some patience and grace, don't forget, you were slow once, many years ago.  For the slow golfers, do not feel hurried, for "more haste less speed".

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A round of golf should be about 4 hours 20 mins. More than 5 hours of golf is just too long. Most of the time will be wasted waiting. 

It gets really crowded on weekends in S'pore and some say in JB. However it would be etiquette to let fast players play thru and the slow flight can take their game leisurely.

Yes we are not good players when we started golf but we still have to be considerate to our flight mates and others on the course. I did,when I first started golf. I duff alot those days but I'll pick up my ball and drop it further up so as not to hold back my flight mates or the flight behind. Even now if my shots are wayward and I can't find my ball in 5 mins I drop another ball and play on. That is part of golf etiquettee that I learn.

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:40 pm

When I started golf, people playing with me told me once u hit more than 8-10 strokes just pick up the ball and go. Don't hold up everyone on the course. Eg of inconsiderate golfers after the finished putting on the green, they stand there discussing the score blah blah not knowing behind there's a flight waiting for them to clear the green. I'm sure many encounter this. Practice swing slow or fast I won't comment. Different players have different swing routines, pros and amateur alike. Just hope u find yours and I thought if yours is not like Kevin na's then it should be fine. Wkend coming, happy golfing.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:54 pm

In the proper proper rules, Is there really such a rule that allows the flight behind to play through?

Can experts advise?

I was told by one of my lao jiao golfer friend that there is no such thing in golf proper. There is only a chance to save some time during Par 3s when you can mark your ball on the green and let the flight behind tee off, and then when they are coming to the green, you quickly make your putts.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:59 am

Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:07 am

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Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.

Thanks for the link!

Very useful info in there...hopefully all golfers can refresh themselves on the etiquette every now and then!
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:17 am

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Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.

Thanks for sharing the link Golfnut.

"If players follow the guidelines, it will make the game more enjoyable for everyone"....... That is so true.

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:09 am

Pace of play is one of the biggest issue with PGA/LPGA and it seems with social golfers as well. There is really no reason not to play 'ready ' golf and move off as soon as you have played your shot; including driving off before cleaning and putting away golf clubs.

There seems to be an attitude of 'entitlement' i.e. golfers feel entitled to take their time regardless of the effect on others just because they have paid their green fees/membership. It is just plain discourteous. Same attitude shown on the roads resulting in road rage!

Golfers who are delayed should chilled but golfers holding up others should be considerate ... life don't need to be so stressful!
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:17 am

And you wonder why PGA/LPGA tournaments there are penalties for slow play....
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:28 am

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Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.
This is also on RandA.org, too. So you can see it is a issue that golf's governing body wants to address. Extensive campaign by USGA to address this last year was launched. A bunch of the big names signed up to front this, including Tiger Woods. Included in this campaign was "tee it forward". 
I know my limits and play from whites. But for some reason, in SG to play from whites is a slam against one's manhood. Too many games I see people labor to get to 200m mark in 3 shots and yet they still tee it up from blues. Why torture yourself?
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:00 am

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Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.
This is also on RandA.org, too. So you can see it is a issue that golf's governing body wants to address. Extensive campaign by USGA to address this last year was launched. A bunch of the big names signed up to front this, including Tiger Woods. Included in this campaign was "tee it forward". 
I know my limits and play from whites. But for some reason, in SG to play from whites is a slam against one's manhood. Too many games I see people labor to get to 200m mark in 3 shots and yet they still tee it up from blues. Why torture yourself?
Bo bian...they pay full price....must play full distance also or else lugi
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:22 am

Once I was matched with another golfer at MBGC to form a two ball flight. Behind us was a three ball flight. My playing partner was relatively new to the game as his shots were spraying all over. And when we came near to the green, he would pace the distance from the pin to his ball...and chip it over the green...and pace again from the pin....chip it on and pace again from the pin before putting. We were obviously holding up the three ball behind us and it was all clear ahead of us. My hint to play faster did not work. It got to a point where my game became adversely affected because I was trying to speed up. Frustrations set in and I was telling myself "Heck, I did not pay green fees to suffer!" By the fourth hole, I had enough and told my flight mate he should proceed on his own and I would join the flight behind instead. It was not a pleasant thing to do but I felt I had no choice. Just because you pay green fees does not mean you own the course and can play as you like without considerations for others. Our actions do affect others. So, for everyone's enjoyment, lets be considerate.
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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:33 am

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meia07656 wrote:
Gofnut wrote:
Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.
This is also on RandA.org, too. So you can see it is a issue that golf's governing body wants to address. Extensive campaign by USGA to address this last year was launched. A bunch of the big names signed up to front this, including Tiger Woods. Included in this campaign was "tee it forward". 
I know my limits and play from whites. But for some reason, in SG to play from whites is a slam against one's manhood. Too many games I see people labor to get to 200m mark in 3 shots and yet they still tee it up from blues. Why torture yourself?
Bo bian...they pay full price....must play full distance also or else lugi

IMO that is a lame reason.

Do you play from blue too just to make your money's worth?

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PostSubject: Re: The difference between a 4 hour round and 5 hour round is 9 seconds per shot…   Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:54 am

Gofnut wrote:
Nam Flog,

Hope this helps:
http://www.usga.org/etiquette/tips/Golf-Etiquette-101/

Not so much as rule allowing the flight behind to play through but for the flight that is not keeping pace to "invite" the flight behind to play through.

Thanks bro. This is indeed helpful!
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