Golf Republic Forum - Singapore's most active golfing forum.
 
HomeFAQCalendarRegisterLog in

Share | 
 

 How Low Can One Go?

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
pocketace
Super Active Golfer
Super Active Golfer


Posts : 2087
Join date : 2009-11-30

PostSubject: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:02 pm

No, it's not about shooting your personal best score

In a recently concluded amateur event (that shall remain unnamed), the winning team came back with some spectacular stableford 45pts

A bit of simple CSI revealed that both players went from 
- as low as a mid single hcp (one chap 5.9 as of May 2014, the other chap's hcp hovered between 7-9 hcp from Sept 2013 to as recent as Aug 2014)
- to become 11-12 hcp for the competition(Sept 2014)

My point is these chaps are possibly gaming the system, they didn't cheat. They were systematically racking up high scores (90s) for the last 20 games to get a higher hcp in time for the tournament.

We talked about such buayas before. How can we honour the game if we still have such golfers among us? If you realized one of your golf kakis doing this, will you condone it? What can tournament organizers do to overcome them?

I know some of you will shrug your shoulders and say - don't take part lor...
But two wrongs don't make one right. I would like to hear your thoughts.


Last edited by pocketace on Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:33 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
nkglfrs
Newbie Golfer
Newbie Golfer


Posts : 47
Join date : 2014-07-09

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:28 pm

Expose and shame them in public?

after playing in this sports for so long, i learned that the only thing you can control is yourself.

unless you turn PRO and take part in the PRO tournaments, else there will be such people around to game the system and take advantage from it.

there could be other scoring systems that are fairer, i shall leave those recommendation to the experts.

just my 2 cents
Back to top Go down
neutralgolfer
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 398
Join date : 2011-07-22

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:43 pm

There is no way to catch these golfers, unless the organizers do something like announce any personal best score of 5 under (or whatever score) better than their hcp will be deem void. I know some US competition have such house rules. 
But then again, it's hard to verify if they really had their best rounds on that day assuming it's white tee, easy pin placement, their home ground, etc.

You can send your CSI to the organizers and see what they say. 

When one wants to cheat, there is no way to stop them, right?
Back to top Go down
pocketace
Super Active Golfer
Super Active Golfer


Posts : 2087
Join date : 2009-11-30

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:52 pm

Already sent the csi to organiser
Doubt they will do anything to these 2 chaps as they didn't break any rules but merely contravene the spirit of the game

Some suggestions I put forth were:
- don't let participants choose their partners
- apply system 36 to calculate tournament hcp for the day

Btw,  yes it was off white tee,  but it's on a championship course known for its punishing layout and tough greens. Anyway like you guys say, always got such ppl around. Just disappointing.
Back to top Go down
Quest
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 321
Join date : 2009-11-05
Location : Borrowed fairway

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:11 pm

Sure to have such people around to sully the game. Imagine golfers pocketing balls that veered slightly off course, all for something less than $2. If such small value also greedy to take, then tournament prize anything that can be done will be done & shall be done.

That's why this game will see the true nature of people. Those who do it, probably already very thick-skin liao.
Back to top Go down
mengteck71
Super Active Golfer
Super Active Golfer


Posts : 1766
Join date : 2009-06-27
Age : 45

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:19 pm

Well... when the stars all align, it is possible to get 45 points.  I have fortunately achieved it in one of our club's monthly medals.  Tee off went straight, irons somehow work and high % of GIR.

When I thought I have a chance to win, someone posted 48 points.

I agree with nkglfrs..the only thing we can control are ourselves.
Back to top Go down
pug
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 472
Join date : 2009-07-13

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:02 pm

The only amateur tournament that I know using such rules as you stated is the Audi Quattro Cup. The winning team from each course had to compete in a sudden death playoff, so I guess it does not guarantee you a win but increase your chances of winning. 

But then again, Golf is a game of integrity. There are definitely buayas out there who will maintain a higher HCP.
Back to top Go down
skybobo
Very Active Golfer
Very Active Golfer


Posts : 828
Join date : 2009-08-26

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:28 pm

And the tanjung champs beat the serapong champs
Back to top Go down
bomby
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 439
Join date : 2010-07-16

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:34 pm

Wow. Like that also can?
Back to top Go down
quinike
Honorary Landscaper
Honorary Landscaper


Posts : 361
Join date : 2009-06-23

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:45 pm

Lol, i recently played in a Charity Open ... and played one of my best rounds in a few years (42-43 stableford points).

I came in 2nd though. The winner had 51 stableford points.

CSI revealed his handicap hovered about the same 20+ region for the past few years as well. But what can you do/say? My pals and I have always been thinking he must had some creative recording during the game. But i guess the key is to let go and let live.
Back to top Go down
mariateo
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 289
Join date : 2010-12-18

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:12 pm

My galfriend took part in a friendly tourney organized by some association... Champion came back nett 50! Stroke play !
Back to top Go down
skybobo
Very Active Golfer
Very Active Golfer


Posts : 828
Join date : 2009-08-26

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:21 pm

50 and 51 stableford points?????
14 and 15 under??????
Shameless, disgusting, I dunno what to say
Back to top Go down
pocketace
Super Active Golfer
Super Active Golfer


Posts : 2087
Join date : 2009-11-30

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:35 pm

mariateo wrote:
My galfriend took part in a friendly tourney organized by some association... Champion came back nett 50! Stroke play !
9-hole tournament?  Razz
Back to top Go down
Winston
Super Active Golfer
Super Active Golfer


Posts : 1723
Join date : 2009-08-18
Age : 42
Location : 19th Hole

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:55 pm

How you doing PA? When will we ever have a game in HCMC???

Anyways, I totally agree with you that 2 wrongs does not make a right. As you mentioned, it does not contravene the rules of the game. It does however shows that integrity is somewhat lacking in the person.

From personal experience, I have played with single handicappers who played extremely well on that day only to lose out to another player based on the stableford system. And we know that this person is obviously using a "Loophole". Even the organisers knew it and where not very "enthused" when announcing his name. Off course we all added fuel to the fire by embarrassing him in front off all the other participants throughout the whole dinner / prize presentation. He never dared play with any of us anymore.
Back to top Go down
Yz426
Newbie Golfer
Newbie Golfer


Posts : 75
Join date : 2014-03-07
Location : West

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:44 am

mariateo wrote:
My galfriend took part in a friendly tourney organized by some association... Champion came back nett 50! Stroke play !

the champion is Kim Jong Il??
Back to top Go down
mariateo
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 289
Join date : 2010-12-18

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:51 am

Which is why I refuse also to part take in any of these tourney anymore. Inclusive of the much publicized SPH WGC game.
Back to top Go down
mariateo
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 289
Join date : 2010-12-18

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:57 am

Yz426 wrote:
mariateo wrote:
My galfriend took part in a friendly tourney organized by some association... Champion came back nett 50! Stroke play !

the champion is Kim Jong Il??
Guess what? I heard that the 1st runner up also nett 50 (22 under) she lost OCB hahahahaha
Back to top Go down
pug
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 472
Join date : 2009-07-13

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:53 pm

Take part for the fun and excitement. For example, my playing partner and I were aiming for the hole-in-one prize of Audi A3 and A8. Even winning the lucky draw $14,000 watch or the Leica camera would be satisfying. 

We also had a lot of fun challenging each other on driving distance, one-putting stroke etc.
Back to top Go down
mariateo
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 289
Join date : 2010-12-18

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:12 pm

pug wrote:
Take part for the fun and excitement. For example, my playing partner and I were aiming for the hole-in-one prize of Audi A3 and A8. Even winning the lucky draw $14,000 watch or the Leica camera would be satisfying. 

We also had a lot of fun challenging each other on driving distance, one-putting stroke etc
For fun booze and laughter... I go with charity games, ladies open, and of course.... GOLF PUNK
Back to top Go down
zhenxua
Incredibly Active Golfer
Incredibly Active Golfer


Posts : 4638
Join date : 2010-02-11

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:09 pm

nowadays champion only get a token gift, the big prizes all go to lucky draw, so the buayas dun get much
Back to top Go down
pug
Senior Golfer
Senior Golfer


Posts : 472
Join date : 2009-07-13

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:12 pm

Wonder if those 2 persons-of-interest are fellow GRians and reading this thread.... Shocked
Back to top Go down
blee67
Hall of Fame Golfer
Hall of Fame Golfer


Posts : 5410
Join date : 2009-12-05
Location : Singapore

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:23 am

zhenxua wrote:
nowadays champion only get a token gift, the big prizes all go to lucky draw, so the buayas dun get much

You mean you get shortchanged? clown
Back to top Go down
zhenxua
Incredibly Active Golfer
Incredibly Active Golfer


Posts : 4638
Join date : 2010-02-11

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:34 am

blee67 wrote:
zhenxua wrote:
nowadays champion only get a token gift, the big prizes all go to lucky draw, so the buayas dun get much

You mean you get shortchanged? clown

i usually only get free beer from my flight mates What a Face
Back to top Go down
blee67
Hall of Fame Golfer
Hall of Fame Golfer


Posts : 5410
Join date : 2009-12-05
Location : Singapore

PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:53 am

zhenxua wrote:
blee67 wrote:
zhenxua wrote:
nowadays champion only get a token gift, the big prizes all go to lucky draw, so the buayas dun get much

You mean you get shortchanged? clown

i usually only get free beer from my flight mates What a Face

Expensive beer..... clown
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: How Low Can One Go?   Today at 6:39 pm

Back to top Go down
 
How Low Can One Go?
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Singapore Golf Forum - Golf Republic :: The 19th Hole :: Lounge-
Jump to:  
Friends of Golf RepublicFriends of Golf RepublicFriends of Golf Republic
Copyright © 2009 Golf Republic. All Rights Reserved.