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PostSubject: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:11 am

How can someone with this kinda handicap (20-25) shoot a total score of 263 over 4 days?!?!?
That's an average score of 66 (or 6 under par) per round 
Should we be proud of such Singaporeans?
I'm sorry, I play golf long enough that you don't shoot that kinda scores for someone with such hcp. According to USGA, we can shoot to our hcp once every 5 rounds
What a farce. Am I missing something here

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/sport/golf/story/golf-david-seow-1st-singaporean-win-world-golfers-cship-2008-20141108
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:43 am

I think the 263 score is already pro-rated, "taking into account his handicap", as highlighted in the article.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:03 am

So, his average score of 66 per round is taking into consideration his handicap?

Assuming he is on the lower rungs of his hcp division, let's say, a 20 hcp

So if the course is even par 72, plus 20 = he should shoot around 92, assuming he plays to his hcp

But he shot (66+20) 86 average over 4 day, under competition environment (stress, playing in new course, new environment, play with strangers, etc)
 
Shooting one round with 86 is very good, I'll applaud that
Consistently Shooting average of 86 over 4 rounds, how many 20 hcp player here can do that?

I think I made my point
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:17 am

Exactly, David Seow has to play 6 under for all four games to achieve that.  For a 20 HCP to play 6 under in 1 game although possible, is quite unlikely imho.  2-3 under is more likely. To play -6 for all 4 rounds , I simply can't believe it.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:20 am

Time to Jover Chew this buaya? Not proud to be a Singaporean at this particular moment
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:25 am

I think he is a very good very intelligent golfer. He is a hcp 20 from changi golf club. When I am 20 hcp, I struggle to break 95
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:49 am

I do not know very much about handicap systems and all.

But I must say based on my experience, even some teaching pros struggle to score consistently 86 over 4 days.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:27 am

263 over 4 days HDCP 20-25? 
I played WGC Durban before, it is tough.
He must be really good!  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:41 am

Could 66 be his net score, ie (66 = 86-20)?
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:20 pm

My take, a bullshit!! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:38 pm

http://news.asiaone.com/news/sports/golf-sporean-quintet-aiming-high-world-golfers-championships

David Seow had his first Hole In One at the age of 14 in an ASEAN inter school competition. He must have been working very hard to maintain his handicap above 20.

well done to him! He's a banker! Razz


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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:54 pm

billcoke wrote:
Could 66 be his net score, ie (66 = 86-20)?
Yes it's net score. Gross is 344.
Source:
http://wgesa.com/Wgesa_Scores/wgc_flightings.html
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:09 pm

To score 86 consistently, the player's hdcp is ard 12-15.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:33 pm

flashpacker wrote:
To score 86 consistently, the player's hdcp is ard 12-15.


Even so, with all the conditions,

for a 20 handicapper to clock below 90 all 4 days

Its not easy

So, what else is new?
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:21 pm

andrew-golf wrote:
flashpacker wrote:
To score 86 consistently, the player's hdcp is ard 12-15.


Even so, with all the conditions,

for a 20 handicapper to clock below 90 all 4 days

Its not easy

So, what else is new?

Makes the results look dubious.
Although there is a possibility of a super streak of great performance over 4 games, it is very remote for a 20 handicapper with all the pressure, new course and conditions to adjust to. 

Not thrilled over this if the system had been gamed.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:31 pm

Hidden Buaya Rears head again!

In papers he reported his flight mate for reporting wrong score, he should report himself for declaring wrong hcp.

Integrity again is lacking IMHO
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:09 am

What was the score for 2nd and 3rd in that division?

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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:33 am

So he won a world title, congrats! But really, no "big shake" to me bcos it hasn't turned out to be a well deserved type pat-on-the-back reception so far amongst the crowd here.....

Back to reality pls......
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:19 am

My take is this. If the organisers allow it to happen, it will happen. If they think its fine, then congrats to this guy. USA is such a mature country in terms of golf, the organisers there will definitely have a fair share of buayas and know what to do.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:43 pm

nientsu wrote:
My take is this. If the organisers allow it to happen, it will happen. If they think its fine, then congrats to this guy. USA is such a mature country in terms of golf, the organisers there will definitely have a fair share of buayas and know what to do.
To them , pride and integrity is above everything......
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:29 am

USA, welcome to Singapore... Land of Jover Chews & David Seows......
It's tough out here in Singapore!
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:57 am

... For some of us, winning is the only thing. 
Never mind integrity, score cards and handicaps.
We may have more buayas per capita here than any other country!
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:27 am

jwing wrote:
nientsu wrote:
My take is this. If the organisers allow it to happen, it will happen. If they think its fine, then congrats to this guy. USA is such a mature country in terms of golf, the organisers there will definitely have a fair share of buayas and know what to do.
To them , pride and integrity is above everything......

Yes agreed.. They take scores and accurate submissions very seriously.. And they give a lot of respect to single hcp.. It's an achievements for them, though it may be the opposite for some golfers in Singapore..

Just like they don't need Service Charge billed in your receipts.. Customers know they have to tip…
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:00 am

He looks like that guy who used to teach kids golf at MBGC.
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PostSubject: Re: David Seow is first golfer from SG to win WGC   Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:03 pm

His a very good player, I seen him trying to teach people before at MBGC and hits it quite far. I am sure he have even controlled his own score so he doesn't look so Buaya.
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