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PostSubject: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:32 am

I just bought a Nike Covert Tour 2.0 Driver.  The loft can be set from 8.5 to 12.5.   I tinkered the loft from 8.5 to 12.5 and hit each loft with some balls.   To be honest, I didn't see any difference in ball flight.   They are all low penetrating ball flight (seems like a 9.5 degree to me).  So does adjustable hosel really work when you want to change lofts?  (I know the face is open when the loft is reduced and closed when you add loft).
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:06 am

Seriously, how many had adjusted the loft on a regular basis after buying the adjustable driver or woods. I have never been an advocate of adjustable clubs. After all, if a golfer want to hit a higher or lower ball flight it can be easily achieved by moving the ball position at address.


I am not good enough either as a golfer or commentator to understand the mechanics and technicalities of golf equipments and therefore can only express my personal point of view. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in my views. 
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:16 am

I'm using the Nike Covert 2.0 performance model and it works.....

The Nike adaptors change the loft without actually closing or opening the face.

The reason why these were developed were so the golfer can stick to 1 swing to achieve different ball flights without the changing of ball positions that throws other variables into the works.

Tried the lofts but decided to stick to 9.5 as that gave me the most ideal ball flight on my High kick shaft. 10.5 and above were super high........

You might want to check if the shaft is suitable for your swing since the Kurokage Blacks and Silvers are both mid to mid/high kick shafts.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:38 am

it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour. I guess it give you an opportunity to vary the loft without changing drivers.

Having said that, I somehow find that the address position for my covert hybrid looks a bit funny compare to the Cobra (fix loft) I have, it just does not feel right, not sure if it is due to they needing to cater to adjustibilities thus the face kinda square off weird.

BTW, if I slice slightly, do I adjust to "right" or "left" on the driver. Am talking about about a covert 2.0 tour driver here.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:30 am

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Seriously, how many had adjusted the loft on a regular basis after buying the adjustable driver or woods. I have never been an advocate of adjustable clubs. After all, if a golfer want to hit a higher or lower ball flight it can be easily achieved by moving the ball position at address.


I am not good enough either as a golfer or commentator to understand the mechanics and technicalities of golf equipments and therefore can only express my personal point of view. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in my views. 
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For irons it can be achieved by moving ball positions.  But for driver?  You want to hit up on the driver not to hit down.  When the ball slightly back in your stance, you are hitting down on the driver.  Not good, too much spin and less distance.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:34 am

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I'm using the Nike Covert 2.0 performance model and it works.....

The Nike adaptors change the loft without actually closing or opening the face.

The reason why these were developed were so the golfer can stick to 1 swing to achieve different ball flights without the changing of ball positions that throws other variables into the works.

Tried the lofts but decided to stick to 9.5 as that gave me the most ideal ball flight on my High kick shaft. 10.5 and above were super high........

You might want to check if the shaft is suitable for your swing since the Kurokage Blacks and Silvers are both mid to mid/high kick shafts.

I have Xcaliber red shaft on this driver.  It's a high launch shaft.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:36 am

superputt wrote:
Rafj wrote:
I'm using the Nike Covert 2.0 performance model and it works.....

The Nike adaptors change the loft without actually closing or opening the face.

The reason why these were developed were so the golfer can stick to 1 swing to achieve different ball flights without the changing of ball positions that throws other variables into the works.

Tried the lofts but decided to stick to 9.5 as that gave me the most ideal ball flight on my High kick shaft. 10.5 and above were super high........

You might want to check if the shaft is suitable for your swing since the Kurokage Blacks and Silvers are both mid to mid/high kick shafts.

I have Xcaliber red shaft on this driver.  It's a high launch shaft.
Sometimes it's the combination or the spine of the shaft....
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:48 am

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TDO wrote:
Seriously, how many had adjusted the loft on a regular basis after buying the adjustable driver or woods. I have never been an advocate of adjustable clubs. After all, if a golfer want to hit a higher or lower ball flight it can be easily achieved by moving the ball position at address.


I am not good enough either as a golfer or commentator to understand the mechanics and technicalities of golf equipments and therefore can only express my personal point of view. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in my views. 
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For irons it can be achieved by moving ball positions.  But for driver?  You want to hit up on the driver not to hit down.  When the ball slightly back in your stance, you are hitting down on the driver.  Not good, too much spin and less distance.
No difference for me. I simply move the ball position to front or back to get the desired ball flight. Besides, low loft do not equate longer distance. Some golfers prefer lower loft for a variety of reasons. Alternatively, slightly closing the club face while maintaining the same swing path would lower the ball flight. This is my understanding. I could be wrong but I have been using this principle all along. I'm a one loft man, as with many others. I thought these loft thing is just a gimmick by the manufacturers. After all, you are not allow to change the loft of the club at every other hole during a round of golf. Once you tee off with the decided loft, you have to maintain it for the rest of round. But I guess it's socially acceptable, provided no betting is involved. If betting is involved, it should not be allowed, as a matter of ruling and principle.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:05 am

It could also be the weight of the shaft vs the driver head weight. Basic physics principle as the Nike Covert 2.0's are developed on the concept of a 'Hammer' effect.

You might want to check with your club fitter on the weight distribution vs the original stock configurations.

Hope this helps.

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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:03 pm

I've been using the adjustable drivers for a number of years now. It does work, however once you find the setting you desire, you should really leave it alone. However unless you can reproduce the same and consist swing, you won't be able to tell the difference. With me, it's all about adjusting to a setting I'm comfortable with then no more adjustments. It's the next best thing to the fitting clubs however you do need to know what you're doing so it doesn't mess up your swing. But then again, with the rate I'm playing golf these days...where I've no idea what I'm doing and I swing different every session... may need number of adjustments throughout the club lifespan. Mad Just my two cents.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:28 pm

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superputt wrote:
TDO wrote:
Seriously, how many had adjusted the loft on a regular basis after buying the adjustable driver or woods. I have never been an advocate of adjustable clubs. After all, if a golfer want to hit a higher or lower ball flight it can be easily achieved by moving the ball position at address.


I am not good enough either as a golfer or commentator to understand the mechanics and technicalities of golf equipments and therefore can only express my personal point of view. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in my views. 
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For irons it can be achieved by moving ball positions.  But for driver?  You want to hit up on the driver not to hit down.  When the ball slightly back in your stance, you are hitting down on the driver.  Not good, too much spin and less distance.
No difference for me. I simply move the ball position to front or back to get the desired ball flight. Besides, low loft do not equate longer distance. Some golfers prefer lower loft for a variety of reasons. Alternatively, slightly closing the club face while maintaining the same swing path would lower the ball flight. This is my understanding. I could be wrong but I have been using this principle all along. I'm a one loft man, as with many others. I thought these loft thing is just a gimmick by the manufacturers. After all, you are not allow to change the loft of the club at every other hole during a round of golf. Once you tee off with the decided loft, you have to maintain it for the rest of round. But I guess it's socially acceptable, provided no betting is involved. If betting is involved, it should not be allowed, as a matter of ruling and principle.

You can't adjust the loft during a tournament (USGA approved tournaments).   In my "happy-time" tournament here (which I participate only once a year), nobody cares if you are using a non-conforming clubs.  Heck nobody cares if you carry 20 clubs in your bag.   Who cares?  We are not Pros.  Don't be too serious about the USGA rules.   We play golf for fun not for money.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:36 pm

Bro superputt, it's tournament rule. As long as nobody complain then you are safe. However, the rule dictates that you are only allowed a maximum of 14 clubs. Similarly, if you are betting with friends, adjusting the club during a game is like carrying an extra club in the bag. But if your friends are ok with it, I don't see why you should not be allowed. To me, it's a conscious that I do not want to take advantage of this on my friends in the name of fair play.


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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:02 pm

Rafj wrote:
It could also be the weight of the shaft vs the driver head weight. Basic physics principle as the Nike Covert 2.0's are developed on the concept of a 'Hammer' effect.

You might want to check with your club fitter on the weight distribution vs the original stock configurations.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Well I already checked with my club fitter.  He's the one who reshafted my Covert Tour 2.0.  I have been using this shaft before (since May).   I always get a high ball flight with my other driver.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:20 pm

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it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour.


I have to agree. With the advancement of technology, club makers have been able to design drivers that have very low spin rates nowadays. Coupled with the right shafts, they have been able to drop spin rate by quite abit. Hence, a lot of players have discovered that lofting up gives them a lot more carry distance compared to older drivers without being affected much by the wind.

I think its a huge advantage to be able to adjust the clubs. esp if they come with lie, loft and face angle adjustability. Everyone swings uniquely different. Its a real advantage to be able to adjust the club to suit each individual's swing.

Saw a video on "what's in rory mcilroy's bag" and he uses an 8.5* driver. Its got nothing to do with distance cus he bombs it a mile anyway. so for him.. its purely looks. he says he doesn't like to see too much of the clubface at address.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:36 pm

I bought an adjustable Adams Speedline Tech with the intention of trying out different loft settings. In the end I never once veered from its neutral 10.5 degree setting. Reason being if my ball is artificially straightened or shaped due to the drivers setting, I am attempting to compensate my swing fault with equipment. This might help for drivers but then there's no adjustability for irons. The root problem is actually still there. For me, adjustability is dangerous if it's in the wrong hands.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:37 pm

I dont adjust the loft or face angle.
Just use it as it is in neutral.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:39 pm

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I just bought a Nike Covert Tour 2.0 Driver.  The loft can be set from 8.5 to 12.5.   I tinkered the loft from 8.5 to 12.5 and hit each loft with some balls.   To be honest, I didn't see any difference in ball flight.   They are all low penetrating ball flight (seems like a 9.5 degree to me).  So does adjustable hosel really work when you want to change lofts?  (I know the face is open when the loft is reduced and closed when you add loft).


Bro.. one thing you can try is to plug your shaft into another nike driver and see if it works. You could have a faulty adapter since you using an old shaft. Another thing I can think of is that maybe the fitter might have put in a left-handed adapter for you by mistake where the lofts are reversed. It has happened before. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:23 pm

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I dont adjust the loft or face angle.
Just use it as it is in neutral.

Yes meee toooo (before owning the nike driver).... To be honest, I really like Taylormade because although they are a marketing gimmick company, they offer the drivers in different lofts (eg: R15 lofts are 9.5, 10.5, 12 and 14).  It makes me feel safe that I'm using the actual loft rather than using a loft created by the adjustable hosel.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:30 pm

superputt wrote:
Rafj wrote:
It could also be the weight of the shaft vs the driver head weight. Basic physics principle as the Nike Covert 2.0's are developed on the concept of a 'Hammer' effect.

You might want to check with your club fitter on the weight distribution vs the original stock configurations.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Well I already checked with my club fitter.  He's the one who reshafted my Covert Tour 2.0.  I have been using this shaft before (since May).   I always get a high ball flight with my other driver.

Depending on the head weight of your previous driver, the shaft characteristic changes. 

For e.g, My Whiteboard was previously fitted on an R1 (10 deg loft) head and ball flight was slightly lower but now that I've got it fitted on the Covert 2.0, ball flight actually went higher as the head is lighter than R1's.......
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:34 pm

abadan wrote:
superputt wrote:
I just bought a Nike Covert Tour 2.0 Driver.  The loft can be set from 8.5 to 12.5.   I tinkered the loft from 8.5 to 12.5 and hit each loft with some balls.   To be honest, I didn't see any difference in ball flight.   They are all low penetrating ball flight (seems like a 9.5 degree to me).  So does adjustable hosel really work when you want to change lofts?  (I know the face is open when the loft is reduced and closed when you add loft).


Bro.. one thing you can try is to plug your shaft into another nike driver and see if it works. You could have a faulty adapter since you using an old shaft. Another thing I can think of is that maybe the fitter might have put in a left-handed adapter for you by mistake where the lofts are reversed. It has happened before. Laughing

Bro Abadan, I have set the loft to 10.5 and then to 12.5.  I can the see the clubface when I set it to 12.5.   Less visible when I set it to 10.5.   I think there is nothing wrong with the adapter.

ps: I reused the adapter that is attached to the head when I bought it.   The club fitter simply pulled the nike shaft.
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:43 pm

abadan wrote:
oldie-newbie wrote:
it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour.


I have to agree. With the advancement of technology, club makers have been able to design drivers that have very low spin rates nowadays. Coupled with the right shafts, they have been able to drop spin rate by quite abit. Hence, a lot of players have discovered that lofting up gives them a lot more carry distance compared to older drivers without being affected much by the wind.

I think its a huge advantage to be able to adjust the clubs. esp if they come with lie, loft and face angle adjustability. Everyone swings uniquely different. Its a real advantage to be able to adjust the club to suit each individual's swing.

Saw a video on "what's in rory mcilroy's bag" and he uses an 8.5* driver. Its got nothing to do with distance cus he bombs it a mile anyway. so for him.. its purely looks. he says he doesn't like to see too much of the clubface at address.



I remembered vividly what my esteem golfing kaki said to me....

"as long as i got a good sound swing.... smlj driver I also hit 230m"





of cos that esteem golfing kaki is not you.....

you hit the fairway with 250m.....


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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:04 pm

slinger wrote:
abadan wrote:
oldie-newbie wrote:
it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour.


I have to agree. With the advancement of technology, club makers have been able to design drivers that have very low spin rates nowadays. Coupled with the right shafts, they have been able to drop spin rate by quite abit. Hence, a lot of players have discovered that lofting up gives them a lot more carry distance compared to older drivers without being affected much by the wind.

I think its a huge advantage to be able to adjust the clubs. esp if they come with lie, loft and face angle adjustability. Everyone swings uniquely different. Its a real advantage to be able to adjust the club to suit each individual's swing.

Saw a video on "what's in rory mcilroy's bag" and he uses an 8.5* driver. Its got nothing to do with distance cus he bombs it a mile anyway. so for him.. its purely looks. he says he doesn't like to see too much of the clubface at address.



I remembered vividly what my esteem golfing kaki said to me....

"as long as i got a good sound swing.... smlj driver I also hit 230m"





of cos that esteem golfing kaki is not you.....

you hit the fairway with 250m.....


flower


Hahahaha then I shall reply with your famous quote...

"dun scared you long... scared you zhun!" flower
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:52 pm

abadan wrote:
slinger wrote:
abadan wrote:
oldie-newbie wrote:
it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour.


I have to agree. With the advancement of technology, club makers have been able to design drivers that have very low spin rates nowadays. Coupled with the right shafts, they have been able to drop spin rate by quite abit. Hence, a lot of players have discovered that lofting up gives them a lot more carry distance compared to older drivers without being affected much by the wind.

I think its a huge advantage to be able to adjust the clubs. esp if they come with lie, loft and face angle adjustability. Everyone swings uniquely different. Its a real advantage to be able to adjust the club to suit each individual's swing.

Saw a video on "what's in rory mcilroy's bag" and he uses an 8.5* driver. Its got nothing to do with distance cus he bombs it a mile anyway. so for him.. its purely looks. he says he doesn't like to see too much of the clubface at address.



I remembered vividly what my esteem golfing kaki said to me....

"as long as i got a good sound swing.... smlj driver I also hit 230m"





of cos that esteem golfing kaki is not you.....

you hit the fairway with 250m.....


flower


Hahahaha then I shall reply with your famous quote...

"dun scared you long... scared you zhun!" flower
But I heard slinger is long and zhun...... affraid affraid affraid affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Adjustable driver. Do they really work?   Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:03 pm

enwee wrote:
abadan wrote:
slinger wrote:
abadan wrote:
oldie-newbie wrote:
it's kinda fashionable now to "loft up" for drivers, many playing professionals do it now. You will find tour players in the past using 8.5 or 9.5 but nowadays not uncommonly to find 11/12* loft on tour.


I have to agree. With the advancement of technology, club makers have been able to design drivers that have very low spin rates nowadays. Coupled with the right shafts, they have been able to drop spin rate by quite abit. Hence, a lot of players have discovered that lofting up gives them a lot more carry distance compared to older drivers without being affected much by the wind.

I think its a huge advantage to be able to adjust the clubs. esp if they come with lie, loft and face angle adjustability. Everyone swings uniquely different. Its a real advantage to be able to adjust the club to suit each individual's swing.

Saw a video on "what's in rory mcilroy's bag" and he uses an 8.5* driver. Its got nothing to do with distance cus he bombs it a mile anyway. so for him.. its purely looks. he says he doesn't like to see too much of the clubface at address.



I remembered vividly what my esteem golfing kaki said to me....

"as long as i got a good sound swing.... smlj driver I also hit 230m"





of cos that esteem golfing kaki is not you.....

you hit the fairway with 250m.....


flower


Hahahaha then I shall reply with your famous quote...

"dun scared you long... scared you zhun!" flower
But I heard slinger is long and zhun...... affraid affraid affraid affraid

That's why I scared to play with him!! Laughing Laughing
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