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PostSubject: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:02 pm

I tried to use some of the club fitting manuals but they are not golfers but technical-centric. Hence please excuse my poor illustration skills in trying to explain what having the right lie can bring about.

i hope you will find it useful and i will be happy to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

The First Influence for Lie



The 2nd Influence for Lie



Lie can cause the Golfer to set-up differently,



another look....note the knee bend is more acute in the golfer with the flat lie



Impact picture is only for indicative purposes as its difficult to illustrate this with a single dimension line drawing.



Notice where the sole impact on the ground for the upright and flat lie.



Finally....without prejudice to the different schools of learning, there are exceptions.



The Benefit for the Golfer.



Many Thanks for reading.....DGman
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm

Great post Eric
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:25 am

DGman,

I just went back to an experiment on putters not too long ago.

From using a 34" and 71* lie angle, I went to 35" and 69* lie angle and it worked just as great.

Is that possible?

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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:32 am

S70B wrote:
DGman,

I just went back to an experiment on putters not too long ago.

From using a 34" and 71* lie angle, I went to 35" and 69* lie angle and it worked just as great.

Is that possible?
You changed your putting style? elbows more tucked in to the side and more rounded (closed gate swing)???
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:36 am

Yeah SS, Thats pretty much how I putt now.

I also experimented with other aspects of the address:

- grip it in the life line of my palms (used to be in the fingers)

- higher hands n in line with putter shaft

- standing taller

- Weight more in the centre of the feet instead of the balls of the feet

- Wider stance

- Squarer hips (had subconsciousely gotten them open and pointing left more n more)

I'm very different from what I was doing a few mths ago. Its not easy to change but I see some results every now and then so sticking with it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:41 am

that's why the longer length and flatter lie??.. albino

hahaha..wtf do I know..
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:44 am

Eh, as a study of all golf philosophies, I'm sure u know Utley preaches that the eyes are suppose to be inside n to the right of the golf ball. Wink

Those actions just facilitate it.

I also watched the pros putt around durin Q school and notice most do not have their eyes directly over the ball too.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:10 am

S70B wrote:
Yeah SS, Thats pretty much how I putt now.

I also experimented with other aspects of the address:

- grip it in the life line of my palms (used to be in the fingers)

- higher hands n in line with putter shaft

- standing taller

- Weight more in the centre of the feet instead of the balls of the feet

- Wider stance

- Squarer hips (had subconsciousely gotten them open and pointing left more n more)

I'm very different from what I was doing a few mths ago. Its not easy to change but I see some results every now and then so sticking with it.

Spot on Rex. Also about eyes not being over the ball. Stick with it. Your putting will get better and better

http://www.golfrepublic.org/golf-equipment-f7/how-long-is-your-tool-t1304-15.htm
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:16 am

hey Eric.. even Rex converting to Stan Utleys method..
time to join in..tht dvd becoming more valuable now.. hehehhe
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:28 am

DGman,

We all understand the benefit of having a custom fitted club that suit your swing, have the right lie and length, etc. The question is, being a beginner golfer, our swing is constantly evolving.

There are people who recommend to custom fit starting from day one, and there are some who recommend only do custom fit after your swing style is stable. So my question is, at what stage when we know it is the right time to do the custom fit?

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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:43 am

time for me to bring in my clubs for lie/loft/length fitting!

DGman, how long does it take to check all irons/wedges?
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:23 pm

regarding putting.....RSS and S U have its merit....i have been trying out both and SS will attest to it that it works pretty well.

Rex....35 at 69 will work fine if you are using the S U style

the prefer lie for the putter is 62 to 65 for RSS and 67 to 70 for the S U users. both do not use the eye over ball concept but accuracy is not compromised at all. in fact both putting styles promote a better release.

regarding loft and lie adjustment for irons, be prepared to spend an hour to two and you should have the entire set adjusted.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:41 pm

Boss,

Your graphic skill is really impressive. Is it done by you? keke

Anyway, i have been thinking recently on whether adjusting the lie is that important because the lie is actually dependent on many factors such as the length of the hand, posture and etc. Thus, to enjoy the benefit of a correct lie, we have to make sure that the posture is constant, given that the length and lie is a non-constant factor. This leads to my next question, is posture in-born or does it actually evolves depending on the physical condition of the person? If it is the latter, my question is how many people can maintain the same posture if they are not a pro or serious golfer.

In short, i am just wondering, for a social player, is it all that important to have the lie adjusted at all. Or should we adjust the lie such that it gives some allowance to differing posture? errr.. is there such a thing to begin with...
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:46 pm

S8...my graphic skills is nowhere near your power of reasoning....

on the question of posture, it is a responsibility of the golfer and with proper coaching, he or she will develop the right setup and hence posture. that is really not a question for a club fitter.

whether the golfer wants to remain a incompetent golfer or a player of JL, S70B or SS caliber, the decision is left to to him or her -self.

so the next question is if you are such a social player why bother to have a golf club, just rent or borrow lor. i hope i have answered your question my dear S8.

btw your favourite Zhang Bo Zhi....husband is in town tomorrow, would love to bring you along to the premier if i had extra tickets.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:44 pm

regarding posture... u all should know...
my posture changed significantly from previously to after i started lessons with tendy...

it is much better now, and i can see the difference in terms of ball striking and golf swing...
just a sidetrack about posture..
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:55 pm

Hello DGMan,

Is your lie angle or finding the right lie similar to Ping loft & lie adjustment?

Becoz like mine, I should be using a "BLUE dot" but I haven' done it yet.

Furthermore, can you shop adjust cavity back irons to 1degree upright?

Or it can only be done with premiuim brands like Callaway?
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:51 pm

Is there any differences with adjusting the lie angle on forged Vs cast irons?
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:07 pm

Forged Iron - softer, more adjustable.

cast iron - harder , may not be able to adjust more than 1 or 2 degrees.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:28 pm

i believe the 6 iron on the black dot (standard) is like 61.5 degree lie.

Most true forged are easy to bend but a lot of the forged out there are face and hosel (cast forged) or head and hosel fused forged (some call it grain forged).

in short there are very few forged which are made in one piece today.

the nicer the back with the cavity weighting, the more it is unlikely to be a true forged.

its not difficult to tell once the bending bar goes to work.

one of the most important function that a good lie bring about is to aid the golfer at address. it allows the golfer to adopt a neutral position where the left hand (for right handed golfers) can be set up with a slight hinged at address rather than a flush clock left hand.

so the significant of a proper lie starts from set up and really make the difference on hard fairways or tight lies.

hope this helps.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:17 pm

I recently went through a fitting session with Titleist and found that I should be using a 2 degree upright club.
The problem is that I tend swing from the outside in, hence my shots with this 'optimal' lie angle tends to draw.
I'm working with a pro to change my swing to be more from the inside out.
I would like to know if I should just get standard irons and work on my swing or get 2 degrees upright and just aim more to the right?

Any suggestions would be great!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the significance of having the Right Lie   Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:45 pm

Beladrian

dunno if swinging outside in will ever result in a draw? If your club face were closed ball would pull left and then slice. Face open, a push then slice. Do you mean a PULL (rather than a draw)?

+2 upright may square your club face at impact, combine that with an outside in path, your ball would go straight to the left of your target i.e. Pull.

I'd trust the fitter. To be safe, buy forged heads so you can come back to the fitter to bend it when youre ready. Forget about AP1.
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