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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:37 pm

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Titu: For me, the point of contention isn't about the authenticity of the club. Rather, it's about the misappropriation of property. More importantly, purchasing such a club renders a person an accessory to a crime of which ignorance isn't a viable defence.


??????? Sorry ??????? What did I said???? I just brought out the limited knowledge I have on Tour issued clubs and irons and a place where one can source from with lesser chance of it being fake. I have been a member of BSG since sometime back but have not logged in for more than a year until just a few days ago. I know the people there placed themselves in a class of their own. The members there always boast of having most priciest clubs and authenticity. I am not in any argument with you or anybody else. I just introduced BSG as a place where one can buy Tour issued clubs with confidence if they have the money and willing to pay for it. End of my knowledge of Tour issued equipments. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:37 pm

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Miura is a forging company. Period. In saying that, they've done excellent job forging clubs for OEMs such as TM. But they're just given a certain specs and blueprint to do, they were not involve in the development process of building the club. Nor do they have an RD department of their own. Having said that, all Miura-branded irons are not thoroughly RD-ed. They are not, in my opinion, as good as others.

They sell and they are demanded just because of that: they are made by Miura, the company who's OEM trusted to do the excellent job forging for them, especially for their tour players.

Again, my 2-cents, preference based on what I knew and experienced.

Perhaps, but I'm not complaining. I play Miura cos I like the feel more than I like my King Cobras, CG1 BPs, even the RAC MBs Smile

But you're also right -- the Srixon Pro 100 blades are bloody awesome as well. As good as the Miura.

That said, this could just as well be a debate on whether LV is better made than Chanel or Prada or Fendi or Ferragamo Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:40 pm

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Titu: For me, the point of contention isn't about the authenticity of the club. Rather, it's about the misappropriation of property. More importantly, purchasing such a club renders a person an accessory to a crime of which ignorance isn't a viable defence.


??????? Sorry ??????? What did I said???? I just brought out the limited knowledge I have on Tour issued clubs and irons and a place where one can source from with lesser chance of it being fake. I have been a member of BSG since sometime back but have not logged in for more than a year until just a few days ago. I know the people there placed themselves in a class of their own. The members there always boast of having most priciest clubs and authenticity. I am not in any argument with you or anybody else. I just introduced BSG as a place where one can buy Tour issued clubs with confidence if they have the money and willing to pay for it. End of my knowledge of Tour issued equipments. lol!

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Actually, there was a time where BSG came under fire for some people who were selling stuff CLAIMED to be tour issued. Major controversy there, so that's why i say, caveat emptor. If you don't know what to look for, you might get scammed. You buy retail from a reputable shop, you sleep better knowing it's genuine retail.
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:42 pm

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Titu: For me, the point of contention isn't about the authenticity of the club. Rather, it's about the misappropriation of property. More importantly, purchasing such a club renders a person an accessory to a crime of which ignorance isn't a viable defence.

This is the misconceptions that people have towards tour issue stuffs. Imagine people in BSG, who possess a lot of tour issue stuffs for their stocks. They actually legitly sell those stuffs. Never once they got a problem with the authority, nor the OEM. In fact, OEMs like Callaway, TMs especially and Adams are working together with them! BSG is oneof the first insitution to be given out protos and samples to test out. OEMs value BSG's input, so much so that these guys are often gets proto stuffs before any of their staffers. Amazing, huh? But they do sell these items at a high premium!

Well put Yarra.

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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:43 pm

I just saw a set of TM Tour Burner B heads going for USD2k. *heart attack*
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:09 pm

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Yarra: You're missing the point. When you hold a Miura, you are partaking into the spirit of the bushido. Golfer and iron becomes one, just as the samurai and his katana become one. Banzai!!!!

Laughing

Aww, in that case, I'd say no tour issue irons would beat that connection! The only clubs to replace is a club connected to your mind, one which can detect which shot you wanna play, tell your ind and automatically move your body to execute the shot! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:11 pm

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Yarra wrote:
Miura is a forging company. Period. In saying that, they've done excellent job forging clubs for OEMs such as TM. But they're just given a certain specs and blueprint to do, they were not involve in the development process of building the club. Nor do they have an RD department of their own. Having said that, all Miura-branded irons are not thoroughly RD-ed. They are not, in my opinion, as good as others.

They sell and they are demanded just because of that: they are made by Miura, the company who's OEM trusted to do the excellent job forging for them, especially for their tour players.

Again, my 2-cents, preference based on what I knew and experienced.

Perhaps, but I'm not complaining. I play Miura cos I like the feel more than I like my King Cobras, CG1 BPs, even the RAC MBs Smile

But you're also right -- the Srixon Pro 100 blades are bloody awesome as well. As good as the Miura.

That said, this could just as well be a debate on whether LV is better made than Chanel or Prada or Fendi or Ferragamo Wink

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Don't you agree? So it the feel of a well-stroke club! If you like it and happen to get a good combo set-up, go well ahead! I got a friend who plays a set of Honmas from the 80s and still manage to shoot under par! And I know a friend of my Dad who always buy the newest, most expensive Honma to come into the market and still shooting 100+... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:12 pm

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I just saw a set of TM Tour Burner B heads going for USD2k. *heart attack*

Those are the heads I've been wanting to get my hand on! But for the price, I'd get a used Kawasaki Ninja around here! LOL!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:24 pm

Question is, how are those heads 'better' than say the tour-issued R7 TP, or the tour-issued Japan-only TM TP Forged irons?

Been awhile since I hit the golf course, think I need to get back into play this weekend!
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:18 pm

ghoonk,

That's the problem. I have not hit those Adams a4 head yet. I might regret it if I go ahead and purchase those set and it turns out to be a looser. Adams is not that popular around here. Might not get my money back, not even half of it!
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:10 am

Thought I would do a self intro as a background to the above thread.
I am Canadian Chinese, male, currently in Singapore for work(contract).
Started golf when i was a kid and were still using hand me down sets when i was in college.
I used to play to 3 handicap during my college days but now i struggle to break 80.

Equipment to me is just a tool to get the job done, nothing more, nothing less.

No doubt that technology has come a long way from the days when old folks would hit a rubber ball with sticks and a piece of metal tied to it but to say that a USD1,2000 head would improve your game is just XXXXXXXX.

I have a regular foursome back home and one of them tried playing on the tour when he was younger. One day, a guy came along and showed us his "tour issued" equipments and he had the full works. Driver from this pro, irons from that pro, wedges from some van...you get the picture. So naturally, we asked him for a game to try out his gear and to see his game. His drive was all over the place, in the woods, OB, harzards...iron play was bad, wedge was crap, putter couldnt do SHXT. I was wondering then if he was using Mike Weir's tour issued equipments even though he is right handed.
Naturally, we kicked his AXX with our discounted retail equipments.

Moral of the story, sure it feels good having that shiny piece of metal sitting in your bag but if you cant play to save your life..keep it in the bag or better yet, save the money and spend it on beers. I am sure beer would get you more friends than tour issued equipments.
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:13 am

Cheers Xstiff.... Beer

My sentiments exactly... keke... Would love to have a game with you someday! santa
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:11 am

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I was wondering then if he was using Mike Weir's tour issued equipments even though he is right handed.

ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:00 pm

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Moral of the story, sure it feels good having that shiny piece of metal sitting in your bag but if you cant play to save your life..keep it in the bag or better yet, save the money and spend it on beers. I am sure beer would get you more friends than tour issued equipments.

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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:15 pm

You're missing the point. I've been preaching on the importance of fitting, playing a club that fits you best. Tour issue alone, let alone the ones that's been built and fit other players will only hurt your game UNLESS if you are lucky enough to find one exactly mathing your specs.

I and I am sure so is ghoonk, WILL NOT PLAY a tour equipment that is not built to our specs. The only reason why we chose to play tour equipment is because the fitting parameter that these equipments offer. I have no intention of winning friends over by playing tour issue stuffs. This is a selfish game, where you play for yourself and to beat yourself. Naturally your equipment choice is for your enjoyment only. If anybody out there think that they'd look cool playing these kinds of equipment, even worse: not getting it to fit his game, is up to them if they wanna be ridiculed on the course.

You are so naive if you think playing TW's equipment will make you, at least, half as good as he is!!! As naive as assuming a round of beer would win you a friend in this world...


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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:17 pm

Yarra, i doubt that's the point he is making, you took it the wrong way.

Just like your point on someone having old honmas shooting under par and another buying the latest and newest yet struggle to break 100.

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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:22 pm

I am sorry if I take it the wrong way...
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:41 pm

i always thought tour issued are different spec (eg for driver open face, weight, true loft, lower CC, SW) that better players like.....Therefore only good players will benefit from it, normal players will play worst with it....(normal players usually get jacked up loft (drivers and irons), offsets in their irons, lower CG, max MOI, Max 460cc etc), lower-stiffness-than-stated shafts...and now the popular trend, lighter driver head, lighter shaft and lighter grips. These equip are normally refered to as "retail".

same as the Long Drive competitors use XXX-stiff, 6 degress loft and 50 inch shaft...driving 400 yards...but in normal, even better players hands..will get rubbish distance.

for example think the 905R 7.5 Degrees is only Tour Issued...perfect for someone with 110++ mph swing
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:54 pm

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i always thought tour issued are different spec (eg for driver open face, weight, true loft, lower CC) that better players like.....Therefore only good players will benefit from it, normal players will play worst with it....(normal players usually get jacked up loft (drivers and irons), offsets in their irons, lower CG, max MOI, Max 460cc etc), lower-stiffness-than-stated shafts...and now the popular trend, lighter driver head, lighter shaft and lighter grips. These equip are normally refered to as "retail".

same as the Long Drive competitors use XXX-stiff, 6 degress loft and 50 inch shaft...driving 400 yards...but in normal, even better players hands..will get rubbish distance.

You are exactly right, tronos. However, on top of that, tour issue equipment offers the ease of adjustability. They usually comes in exact measurement (lie, loft, face angle, etc) or some can even be taylored to a certain specs. Not only the R9s, mind you.

That being said, even mere mortals can benefit from such features. I myself is a naturally high-launching player. For some reason my launch angle and spin rates can't go down, no matter how many times my pro and myself try to work on it. Maybe I am just simply too lame and too stuburn (call me dumb or whatever...) to get out of my comfort zone. I can fix it for a month or so, usually by the thrid month I'll launch it high again.

So I need a lower-launching, lower-spinning driver to suit my stubborn swing. I tried finding 8.5* retail driver loft and it didn't help much. A friend then introduced me to tour equipment and I never looked back. I found a driver that help me lower my launch and my spin!

So, there you go. A matter of getting fit into the right equipment to suit your game, not for show.

I am sorry if you guys take it the wrong way and think we're here discussing this for show. We are not! Just trying to help out fellow golfers who happens to have the same problem and don't know what to do. Hopefully we can clear up the issue on this matter as we go along...
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:05 pm

BTW where to get a cheap Adams Speedline Classic DF . Smile

Speaking of low launching drivers i have a 8.5 9015D and 8.5 Sumo5900. Lets say they are totally different (even when shafted with the same shaft). read that the Sumo tour is more true to spec. Also regretted did not buy a cheap TM 510TP 8.5 on ebay sg many months back.
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:15 pm

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You're missing the point. I've been preaching on the importance of fitting, playing a club that fits you best. Tour issue alone, let alone the ones that's been built and fit other players will only hurt your game UNLESS if you are lucky enough to find one exactly mathing your specs.

I and I am sure so is ghoonk, WILL NOT PLAY a tour equipment that is not built to our specs. The only reason why we chose to play tour equipment is because the fitting parameter that these equipments offer. I have no intention of winning friends over by playing tour issue stuffs. This is a selfish game, where you play for yourself and to beat yourself. Naturally your equipment choice is for your enjoyment only. If anybody out there think that they'd look cool playing these kinds of equipment, even worse: not getting it to fit his game, is up to them if they wanna be ridiculed on the course.

You are so naive if you think playing TW's equipment will make you, at least, half as good as he is!!! As naive as assuming a round of beer would win you a friend in this world...

Correct, as said many times already, the drivers I use are face open, and it is very hard to find retail models with open faces. R9 would allow me to do that, but I'm paying less for tour-issued driver heads than retail R9, and I don't use the OEM shafts either since I have a whole bunch of shafts that I switch around.
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:22 pm

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BTW where to get a cheap Adams Speedline Classic DF . Smile

Speaking of low launching drivers i have a 8.5 9015D and 8.5 Sumo5900. Lets say they are totally different (even when shafted with the same shaft). read that the Sumo tour is more true to spec. Also regretted did not buy a cheap TM 510TP 8.5 on ebay sg many months back.

How cheap was cheap? What's the current asking price for the R510 TPs these days?
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:48 pm

Hi Moderator!

I am new to the forum but it seems to me that this is the best place to tout my "goods"! (equipments or lessons) There is no need to submit my ICs or addresses, i can create another account with another identity easily. I can then ask myself questions and answer them, isn't it brilliant? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:56 pm

So you think you're funny, eh? Very Happy

To answer your question, no, it is against forum rules to do so, and will result in a permanent ban

While we welcome members to contribute objective reviews, opinions, sharing of good deals, for sale threads, and recommendations, any abuse of the system will not be tolerated. If anything, moderators are here to ensure that this forum continues to serve the golfing interests of members.


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PostSubject: Re: Tour Issue Equipment   Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:41 pm

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BTW where to get a cheap Adams Speedline Classic DF . Smile

Speaking of low launching drivers i have a 8.5 9015D and 8.5 Sumo5900. Lets say they are totally different (even when shafted with the same shaft). read that the Sumo tour is more true to spec. Also regretted did not buy a cheap TM 510TP 8.5 on ebay sg many months back.

Assuming this is retail, somtimes it happens. True loft IS NOT ALWAYS what is written on the head. EWven with tour issue stuffs. The difference is with tour issue there's (almost always, if it is a TRUE tour issue) a sticker on the wrapping to state what is the true loft, lie angle, face angle, etc.

Also, each brands and type have different characteristics. For example, Supertri tend to launch higher than the Superdeep. Same loft, same specs, same shaft... totally different result!

Again, the importance of FITTING. A good fitter should fit you into the exact head type and shaft to get your optimum distance and dispersion.
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