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PostSubject: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:27 pm

Had a game at MBGC recently and realised that all of my bad shots came from hitting at elevation. Those undulating fairways successfully killed my swing.

Tried all methods like moving the ball positions and center of gravity but only 50% success rate.

Any GRians faced and overcame this problem? Pls share how and where do you train these shots.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:32 pm

dropping another ball and hit again. that is what I do to train.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:40 pm

Hmmm... OJT (On the Job Training). Provided flight mate and marshals not rushing, i might try this. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:43 pm

Hi,

I have come across one training material about hitting on undulating lies (sorry couldn't rememeber which one) and the key point is to try to ensure setup or address are perpendicular to the lie..that to say, if it's a up slope, (if you are a right hander) you can feel more weight on your right leg and relatively setting up ur club to be perpendicular to the up slope ground, and you will find your body slightly tilted and on parallel to up slope lie.

the same theory apply to downslope as well.

there are mention of club selection as well, but sorry, i couldn't remember much in detail.

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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:59 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
dropping another ball and hit again. that is what I do to train.

At Marina Bay ? Almost impossible...
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:55 pm

Dave, V-golf....
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:07 pm

how many mulligan do they allow?
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:32 pm

golf_snowman wrote:
Hi,

I have come across one training material about hitting on undulating lies (sorry couldn't rememeber which one) and the key point is to try to ensure setup or address are perpendicular to the lie..that to say, if it's a up slope, (if you are a right hander) you can feel more weight on your right leg and relatively setting up ur club to be perpendicular to the up slope ground, and you will find your body slightly tilted and on parallel to up slope lie.

the same theory apply to downslope as well.

there are mention of club selection as well, but sorry, i couldn't remember much in detail.

snowman[left]

From what I recall, it is as what golf snowman said, align your stance such that you are always perpendicular to the slope with the ball position further back to ensure you catch the ball first. Minimal head movement is very important. Cut back on the backswing and don't muscle the shot. Maintain tempo and rhythm while keeping the lower body quiet for good balance. Upslope, compensate your aim for a draw shot and downslope compensate for fade. The previous tip also applies to ball above your feet and ball below your feet. For upslope, club up one more, and downslope club down one. The rest is practice.

And there really isn't any proper place in Singapore to practice from an uneven lie. The best way is to practice such shots during a round. There is no better simulation of course conditions than the real thing. Of course I say this with due consideration to others on the course. Should only be done on a quiet course with no visible flights behind or in front of you, which is probably during a weekday (best is Monday) on a JB course.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:31 pm

Turf City...some of the bays are on sloping grounds...not so severe as MBGC course but its sloping and its grass (mostly grass anyway.... dont use ur black nickel/raw wedge there, it will wear all the coating/scratch in only one session)
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:11 pm

shorthitter... do u still have that training tool for the uneven lie?
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:12 pm

@birdman & golf-snowman: these are the 50%-rate-of-success-shots that i mentioned earlier. I suppose this is due to lack of practice

@tronos: thanks, i will try to visit there one of these days.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:47 pm

Watermyforest, that's why balance, tempo, rhythm, and staying down on the shot is all important. Muscling the ball from such a lie is also definitely not an option. Direction and good contact is more important than distance here.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:55 pm

Toa Payoh Golf Range 2nd Level.

The damn place slopes from the back to the front.

Good for training slight downhill lies.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:01 pm

chemicalpro wrote:
Toa Payoh Golf Range 2nd Level.

The damn place slopes from the back to the front.

Good for training slight downhill lies.

Same with Green Fairways top level. Was wondering why at first I was topping all my balls from driver down to wedge. Took me awhile to adjust, it was good training for keeping the head down and extension through the ball. Found I had better contact when I went for a game after that, sadly, the good contact was only temporary.

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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:09 pm

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golf_snowman wrote:
Hi,

I have come across one training material about hitting on undulating lies (sorry couldn't rememeber which one) and the key point is to try to ensure setup or address are perpendicular to the lie..that to say, if it's a up slope, (if you are a right hander) you can feel more weight on your right leg and relatively setting up ur club to be perpendicular to the up slope ground, and you will find your body slightly tilted and on parallel to up slope lie.

the same theory apply to downslope as well.

there are mention of club selection as well, but sorry, i couldn't remember much in detail.

snowman[left]

From what I recall, it is as what golf snowman said, align your stance such that you are always perpendicular to the slope with the ball position further back to ensure you catch the ball first. Minimal head movement is very important. Cut back on the backswing and don't muscle the shot. Maintain tempo and rhythm while keeping the lower body quiet for good balance. Upslope, compensate your aim for a draw shot and downslope compensate for fade. The previous tip also applies to ball above your feet and ball below your feet. For upslope, club up one more, and downslope club down one. The rest is practice.

And there really isn't any proper place in Singapore to practice from an uneven lie. The best way is to practice such shots during a round. There is no better simulation of course conditions than the real thing. Of course I say this with due consideration to others on the course. Should only be done on a quiet course with no visible flights behind or in front of you, which is probably during a weekday (best is Monday) on a JB course.


Birdman, Thanks for the tip, do we need to choke down on our grip or change the face angle of our club or do a open stance or close stance or posture be more upright or bend more for those uphill , downhill, ball below and ball above feet ????? Please enlighten us, Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:12 pm

For me, I don train .......just take the medicine......ie punch the bloody ball and if ball can move or crawl to better lie....happy like bird liao.

What I am most focussing on is how to max out when given when ball is good lie around 100m range........where for this, I am currently undergoing theory training via watching golf channel..... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:19 pm

@Birdman, architecture fail? Actually I wouldn't mind, or at least with my irons, if it was sloping the other way i.e. front to back, giving a slight uphill lie shot. Would give me better compression and hopefully more distance so that I won't embarass myself Mad

@Duval, ya man I know what you mean. Most of the time we like to hit hero shots from horrid lies still trying to knock down pins Laughing sometimes must punch out to the fairway also Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:14 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
shorthitter... do u still have that training tool for the uneven lie?

Yes my man sure do.. can take an "uneven lie lesson or rent it for 1/2 - 1 hour to use on your own, is very good....

How come ur nick change colour?
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:35 am

shorthitter wrote:
How come ur nick change colour?

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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:42 am

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Birdman, Thanks for the tip, do we need to choke down on our grip or change the face angle of our club or do a open stance or close stance or posture be more upright or bend more for those uphill , downhill, ball below and ball above feet ????? Please enlighten us, Thanks

I am not some guru that can enlighten and show the path and68low.

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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:46 am

@ChemPro, unless I'm mistaken, methinks it's more of a drainage issue, so water will flow off after rain. Like the bathroom floor is always uneven lor. I just thought of it as a built in training aid.
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PostSubject: Re: How and where to train hitting from uneven lie?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:41 am

Birdman wrote:
and68low wrote:

Birdman, Thanks for the tip, do we need to choke down on our grip or change the face angle of our club or do a open stance or close stance or posture be more upright or bend more for those uphill , downhill, ball below and ball above feet ????? Please enlighten us, Thanks

I am not some guru that can enlighten and show the path and68low.

ROFL

Hi again..

i still have to go back to what i can recall about uneven lie..

I think basically there are 4 scenario on uneven lie

i'm using Right Hander as an example, if you are a left hander, it will be the opposite side

The 4 possible scene are

1. Up slope lie : when you stand on the slope, you left foot will be higher than your right foot
2. Down slope : reverse, left foot lower than your right foot
3. facing upslope on even lie : the ball is higher than both your foot
4. facing downslope on even lie : ball is lower than both your foot

for scene #1 and #2, focus on address and ensure your shoulder is parallel to the upslope or downslode lie, ensure your club is setup perpendicular to the ground, so that you maintain your club face and loft. Therefore, relatively speaking, it is like hitting on even lie. Focus on good ball strike, full swing not require and do not force on it and maintain tempo.

For scene #3, the ball is relatively higher because it is above both of your feet, therefore, you need to choke down on your club and a straighter stance. If the slope is on the right side of fairway, your left shoulder pointing to target, beware the slope will encourage draw. If slope is on the left side of fairway, your right shoulder point to target, this slope will encourage a fade. Either case, you need to compensate on your alignment accordingly

For scene #4, the ball is relatively lower than both your feet, you would need to hold your club longer or bend your knee more. You would need to take note of your alignment too as it will encourage a fade or draw depending on which side of the slope the ball is.

Personally, in any one of these cases, i would not try to muscle it but just to get the ball air born straight to a better even lie for better play. The worse possible case is a combination of these scene such as upslope lie with ball above both feet etc etc....

hope that could help..enjoy the game...

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