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PostSubject: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:05 am

I believe the hard thing to explain and understand in golf is "lag".

For me, on the downswing, I try to make sure that my hands cross the ball before the club and try to maintain a "certain light tension" in my hands such that they will not be too tensed (causing them unable to release smoothly) and not too soft (so that I lose my hold on the club).

I am not sure if this results in the holy grail of "lag". But it works for me in getting that orgasmic impact (as good as sex, since nothing can be better than sex) on the ball. Razz

Just want to see how everyone perceives lag and how you try to achieve it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:13 am

actually I am not familiar with lag....all I do remind mysefl is to ensure that at contact, my left wrist is flat and right wrist is slightly cocked ....
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:36 am

same here ,also do not understand what is mean by lag putting ,clutch putting
ang moh england damn chim. any tok kong england can help.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:58 pm

Sergio Garcia and Ben Hogan are the best examples of great lag. In golf terms it means the amount the club is lagging behind the hands on the downswing. Someone who has alot of lag is when the angle between the left arm and the shaft of the club is very small. It can be a very powerful thing as long as you have the ability to have the left arm and the shaft form a straight line at impact. You tube Garcia and Hogan and you will see what i mean.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:33 pm

Ben Hogan's Swing sequence

See his lag, alternatively u can see Jamie Sadolski(spelling?) the ReMax Long drive champion


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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:13 pm

Good one Eiji. Pic 2 is the best example of tremendous lag. His hands are at chest high but the club is lagging behind his head. And Pic 7 is why he was one of the best ever!
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:36 pm

taken from the other post

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Either that or major talent bounce

Exhibit A: Jamie Sadlowski, 5' 11" 175lbs


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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:04 pm

BigBogey wrote:
I believe the hard thing to explain and understand in golf is "lag".

For me, on the downswing, I try to make sure that my hands cross the ball before the club and try to maintain a "certain light tension" in my hands such that they will not be too tensed (causing them unable to release smoothly) and not too soft (so that I lose my hold on the club).

I am not sure if this results in the holy grail of "lag". But it works for me in getting that orgasmic impact (as good as sex, since nothing can be better than sex) on the ball. Razz

Just want to see how everyone perceives lag and how you try to achieve it.

Same here, I think of this 'lag' as a late release of my wrists when executing it. It helped me feel that I'm compressing the ball better as I go down on it and I could get that orgasmic impact as you mentioned, plus a slight bit of extra distance. However I realised that, especially with the long clubs, it's harder to square the clubface at impact soon enough if I'm focusing on the lag, resulting in a slice
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:19 pm

But remember don't over lag then miss the ball completely Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:59 pm

Creating 'lag' in and of itself is useless if it's not coupled with the appropriate 'whip' release (the simultaneous uncocking of the wrists and rolling over of the right forearm over the left) to square the clubhead at impact as seen in position 3 to 7 of Hogan's swing. Case in point is ngjw89 who mentioned that "especially with the long clubs, it's harder to square the clubface at impact soon enough if I'm focusing on the lag, resulting in a slice". With the longer clubs, he created the lag, but he couldn't release. The later the lag, the faster your release needs to be to square the clubface, especially with the longer clubs. So 'lag' is not the be all and end all.

Whether or not we can achieve the 'lag' of Garcia, Hogan, or Sadlowski is also another question altogether. The one thing all three of them do that we don't, is that they play/ played golf for a living, meaning they live and breathe the game daily. The 'lag' they create is a physical impossibility for us mere mortals, though we can aspire to a percentage of what they achieve.

If you would like to know how much 'lag' you create, get measured on a Trackman Launch Monitor. The smash factor reading is a numerical validation of your lag. 1.5 is the holy grail, achieved mostly by the pros. The reading, if I'm not mistaken, is a ratio of ball speed over clubhead speed. Most good amateurs I have seen on the Trackman are in the 1.43 to 1.48 range. Note that the one tenth increments mean a lot here.


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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:15 am

Thanks to all for sharing and contributing to this thread.

The tips and information from just 1 posting here in GR beats surfing the internet for a week hands down!

By the way, any idea where we can find a Trackman Launch Monitor in Singapore?
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:43 am

The are only a few units.

If you are a member of Sentosa Golf Club, you're in luck, since that one has you hitting in air conditioned comfort out into the open range so you can physically see and fully track your true ball flight.

Another is in the hands of Titleist, so unless you are a staff player or they are kind enough to bring it out for one of their demo days (expensive option), you are out of luck.

You best commercially available bet is Big Fish Golf which has an indoor version that also has you hitting in air conditioned comfort (no use also since you will still sweat from the exertion), albeit into a canvas walled net. Call them to make a booking.


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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:44 am

lag is when you have a graphics card that's fried and you try to play COD:MW2.

(sorry cannot resist)
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:56 am

ironfist wrote:
lag is when you have a graphics card that's fried and you try to play COD:MW2.

(sorry cannot resist)

That's why you're better off playing Tiger Woods Golf on your computer, guaranteed lag.

(I also couldn't resist)
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:01 am

This lag will create any downward movement to your initial
swing down motion. This is found commonly in most of the golfers around the world.
It really all depends how to curb this and adapt to your complete swing.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:31 pm

ChrisD wrote:
This lag will create any downward movement to your initial
swing down motion. This is found commonly in most of the golfers around the world.
It really all depends how to curb this and adapt to your complete swing.

Haaah? scratch

ChrisD, you been reading Homer Kelly's Golfing Machine is it?

You going to start drawing stick figures next?
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:09 pm

Lag is
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:05 pm

ghoonk wrote:
Actually, swinging easy is also the secret to lag.
I learnt this from the thread "how to get more distance ??" albino
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:42 pm

The best "lag" golfer in town is JOE woosie!

JOE! where are u??? Please show them!
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:51 pm

Was talking to some frens some time back. They were mentioning that Quincy Quek swing has a lot of lag. This come from years of drilling in the correct fundamentals.

I dunno if that is correct, cos I honestly never seen him b4.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:28 am

LOL

nice one.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:53 am

Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:00 am

nientsu wrote:
Was talking to some frens some time back. They were mentioning that Quincy Quek swing has a lot of lag. This come from years of drilling in the correct fundamentals.

I dunno if that is correct, cos I honestly never seen him b4.

Quincy is a student of Chris Marriott from Gary Edwin Academy. They preach the Right Sided Swing which emphasizes the maintaining of body angles which in turn, creates a compact and efficient swing.
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PostSubject: Re: What is lag?   Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:27 am

JetA1 wrote:
nientsu wrote:
Was talking to some frens some time back. They were mentioning that Quincy Quek swing has a lot of lag. This come from years of drilling in the correct fundamentals.

I dunno if that is correct, cos I honestly never seen him b4.

Quincy is a student of Chris Marriott from Gary Edwin Academy. They preach the Right Sided Swing which emphasizes the maintaining of body angles which in turn, creates a compact and efficient swing.

Correct Alan
Quincy has tremendous lag, we term this "store up" which enables him to hit the ball LONG with a lot of compression. Correct body angles and wrist angles make this possible. You are also creating more of this in your swing recently

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