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PostSubject: First hole mindset   Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:51 pm

Was hoping a few experienced pros could help me out in this area...

Noticed from many (over 90% of my games) that I can never get a Par or better on my first hole of the round.. Of course it's pretty demoralising to start the round with a bogey or worse, but i find that this has been the case for many of my rounds.. so, basically, what mindset do Pros have when they stand at the first tee? Not many of us have the luxury of hitting 50-100 balls at the driving range before the round, but i know that helps a great deal. So, what sorta frame of mind, or routine should i get into, to see more PARs or better on the first hole?

I'd really appreciate any advice.. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:20 am

Interesting topic..i am the total opposite from you for recent games but it starts to deteriorate after first 9.
Guess it could be due to fatigue.

Then again, most of us tend to believe or was told at some point that we need to warm up for at least 4-5 holes then the game starts to improve.
Is this some sort of cycle that most will experience?

Curious to find out too.

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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:04 am

Im no pro, but the first tee box is a scary spot.

But, for me, it doesnt matter the outcome, as its what follows.

If the first hole is a baddun, then things can only get better, and then visa versa.
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:10 am

TFP, you are lucky you don't have the luxury of hitting anywhere up to a hundred balls before a round, pros don't do hit that many la. Smile

Search around the net for interviews with the pros and you'll see they hit a few balls max with some clubs, not all clubs, to get a feel of how their swing is performing that day so they can adapt, and to groove the shots needed for the round.

Since you ask only for experienced pros advice, I guess mine will be unsolicited, so will just list two things:

Stretching

Visualisation
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:25 am

Bob rotella's book golf is not a game of perfect is a good read for this topic

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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 am

TheFocalPoint wrote:
Was hoping a few experienced pros could help me out in this area...

Noticed from many (over 90% of my games) that I can never get a Par or better on my first hole of the round.. Of course it's pretty demoralising to start the round with a bogey or worse, but i find that this has been the case for many of my rounds.. so, basically, what mindset do Pros have when they stand at the first tee? Not many of us have the luxury of hitting 50-100 balls at the driving range before the round, but i know that helps a great deal. So, what sorta frame of mind, or routine should i get into, to see more PARs or better on the first hole?

I'd really appreciate any advice.. Thank you.

I played with this young guy who tee off with an iron on the first hole.
When I asked him why he did that, he say he was very nervous.
He went on to par the hole.

I find using a more lofted club( eg hybrid) to tee off in the first hole do help.
Especially so if there wasn't any warm up.
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:41 am

A big thank you to all contributors for your viewpoints..

I guess the biggest takeaway here would be Birdman's suggestion of visualisation and SBH's suggestion of using a more lofted club.. i'm also guessing the issue would be to reduce the probability of getting into trouble off the tee from the first hole cuz the body is still stiff and the swing is not in full rhythm yet..

I hope this topic has helped some of us in some way..
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:48 am

Swing easy...... most of the time, one iron more than your usual for that distance.
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:55 pm

Well, if fate would have it, I tried out visualising the hole in my mind, like what Birdman said, and took out a club that I'd have a real easy time with and i know for a fact i cannot screw up with (incidentally, my 23 deg Adams Hybrid).

Thank goodness the hole was not that long, Allamanda 10th tee.. about 340m or so Par 4. My trusty Taylormade TP Red landed on the middle of the fairway with about 140m to go to the front of the green. Hit a 7iron onto the green and parred the hole. Tried the same thing with the next two holes, and was 1 over after 3 holes. (rest of the game went downhill from there).

Anyway, i think you guys were spot on in your advice, and i thank you for that.

Now i'm thinking what the hell do i do for the first hole at Legends where you need to hit 230m to cross the water. Oh no!! Scary!.. hehehhee
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:58 pm

I lower my expectation.......if can avoid double par, I happy like bird liao.

almost 99% of the times, I happy like bird. which serve me well for next hole...which I try to avoid triple bog...

so you see, I take 4- 5 holes to have expectation which match up to yours...
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:46 pm

Lucky for me I don/t have such problem. I just Teed up the ball and then see ball hit ball.
Maybe thats why my score is so lousy. Always play above my HC. I just play and see whether today is a good day or bad day. Most important to me is having a good time playing with my kakis and a good score at the end of the day is a bonus. Thank goodness my playing kakis don't usually bet. At most just a drink after the game which anyway will have one, regardless of betting for it or not. Just me.
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:00 pm

From wat i read today... remember to warm up as well Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:09 pm

TheFocalPoint wrote:
Well, if fate would have it, ......

Now i'm thinking what the hell do i do for the first hole at Legends where you need to hit 230m to cross the water. Oh no!! Scary!.. hehehhee

That is scary.. but i'll be too chicken shit to do that. I'll just take my no. 3 hybrid and swing easy and get around 180m .. and lay up from there..
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:12 pm

Begbie wrote:
TheFocalPoint wrote:
Well, if fate would have it, ......

Now i'm thinking what the hell do i do for the first hole at Legends where you need to hit 230m to cross the water. Oh no!! Scary!.. hehehhee

That is scary.. but i'll be too chicken shit to do that. I'll just take my no. 3 hybrid and swing easy and get around 180m .. and lay up from there..

Assuming you lay up before the water, your 2nd shot to the green would be a 190+ m uphill shot to a very small green. I'll take my chances with the 230m over the water and pray for the best but expect the worst... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:41 am

TheFocalPoint wrote:

Assuming you lay up before the water, your 2nd shot to the green would be a 190+ m uphill shot to a very small green. I'll take my chances with the 230m over the water and pray for the best but expect the worst... Smile

Then my friend, you have just fallen prey to the design of the hole as it was intended.

You have just answered your question in the first post on why you open with a bogey at best. Very Happy

What are your chances of bombing an absolute perfect drive over water that runs across your entire landing area, especially on the first hole?
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:39 am

Birdman wrote:
TheFocalPoint wrote:

Assuming you lay up before the water, your 2nd shot to the green would be a 190+ m uphill shot to a very small green. I'll take my chances with the 230m over the water and pray for the best but expect the worst... Smile

Then my friend, you have just fallen prey to the design of the hole as it was intended.

You have just answered your question in the first post on why you open with a bogey at best. Very Happy

What are your chances of bombing an absolute perfect drive over water that runs across your entire landing area, especially on the first hole?

Aaaarrrggghhhhhh!!!! pass the rope please... time to hang myself.... Sad
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:56 am

No need lah bro.

You can drive 230m. That's awesome, by my count.
Most 1st tees won't be like that. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:45 am

Awesome indeed, that hole better to lay up and be in the short stuff, then use your distance to gun for the green on the second shot. Even if you land in the bunker, you still haven't lost your ball. Better than going long with your drive and dunking it in the wet stuff right?



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PostSubject: Re: First hole mindset   Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:47 am

wah....230m carry.....lucky I can only play max fm Blue......phew!
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