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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:52 pm

joshcct wrote:
mizzy wrote:
basically 300 plus meters is 1 stroke..
a tap in is also one stroke..

golf is a crazy game!!!!

bro, a tap in is 2nd stroke liao...

errr.. you make a stroke whether you putt or hit driver...

to be more clear.. i mean 300m or 1 inch is still one stroke.
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:50 am

I second that only when you go up the tee.
From black tee most likely you need to clear 200m to get into the start of the fairway so you need driver, unless your wood is solid enough that you can get 220-230 on 3 woods then that's a different story.
Personally for me accuracy is something that I would prefer as a beginner. I rather drive 180 meter straight to where I want it to be (away from bunker, hazards, water) rather than drive 250 with unpredictable direction and distance.

Consistent 150 meter with 7 iron can also reach par 5 in 3 shot on most white tee in sgp.
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:27 am

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Black tees on the other hand....

If you can play off black tees, you should be driving long and straight. No doubts about it.

which means distance is important...only when one wants to be a good player.

I think being a good player means having the distance, in addition to accuracy. But I believe that between the 2 (distance / accuracy), one gets further ahead with accuracy than with distance.

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:11 am

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Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.

You're writing a book on GR golfers, ah?

TS, not to worry, you will be featured in it.. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:37 am

Chrisd who started this thing didnt give enough info

- we know he's long, but was he accurate? or was his opponent more accurate?
- was his opponent an SB? If so, confirm (with distance adv. alone) you will loose
- was his opponent a croc? then strokes given not enough liao. Had nothing to do with distance
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:49 am

pushslice wrote:
Chrisd who started this thing didnt give enough info

- we know he's long, but was he accurate? or was his opponent more accurate?
- was his opponent an SB? If so, confirm (with distance adv. alone) you will loose
- was his opponent a croc? then strokes given not enough liao. Had nothing to do with distance
Laughing

Bro pushslice,,, Smile u are right, accuracy huh..its not how U drive but how u arrive... then horr... putting leh...

long distance drive helps on long par 4, and long drive can reach with 2 shot on par 5..
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:55 am

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Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.


wah piang !!! bro, I wasnt aware you were looking at me when we last played together.....if I had known, I would have dressed up better...

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:57 am

long drives do not help at all.

straight drives are the bomb!
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:58 am

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Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.


wah piang !!! bro, I wasnt aware you were looking at me when we last played together.....if I had known, I would have dressed up better...


I wonder is that the only thing he observed?? What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:00 am

Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:04 am

Does long drive = long 'hang ' time...meaning ball in the air longer than most?



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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:04 am

blee2007 wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
pushslice wrote:
Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.

You're writing a book on GR golfers, ah?

TS, not to worry, you will be featured in it.. Very Happy

In the bloopers section, no doubt.

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:07 am

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Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.

sounds like duval
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:11 am

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Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.

yeah my dad used to play like dat too...well maybe not at 4-5 over but good enough to frustrate me. he chipped inside me all the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:15 am

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Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.

sounds like duval


wah piang ....si pek chiak lak liao....I kena 'fattten so much' that I am ready for thanksgiving....(DIEx10)....so heres the real scoop about my self-confessed game where its all about expectation setting:

I personally felt that my short game is within my expectation...considering the fact that I don or hardly practise and only do max of 2 games per month...on yearly basis, around 20-24 games. And like all things, one reaps what one sows....I am of the view that my short game is acceptable considering the amt of investment I made (pretty insignificant). Typically I have not much issue getting the ball on green...but getting close (defined as within 3m) depends alot of how much I remember the green contour/spped .... if there is caddy around, I should be ok...

PS: I am definitely not Ah Pek lah...though I hv to admit I dress like one.....AND pls....I am really a Seasoned Beginner....only ie WYSIWYG
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:17 am

Technospaz wrote:
blee2007 wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
pushslice wrote:
Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.

You're writing a book on GR golfers, ah?

TS, not to worry, you will be featured in it.. Very Happy

In the bloopers section, no doubt.

TS, actually we are in the same boat. Dun practice, dun play much, crappy short game, neither long nor short. But given our forum activity, I reckon we like to comment so I put us in the "golf analyst" section of the handbook i.e. NATO Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:18 am

Technospaz wrote:
blee2007 wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
pushslice wrote:
Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.

You're writing a book on GR golfers, ah?

TS, not to worry, you will be featured in it.. Very Happy

In the bloopers section, no doubt.

No. No... more like in the 'legal' definition of being a long hitter'... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:20 am

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Quote :
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duffader wrote:
Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.

sounds like duval


wah piang ....si pek chiak lak liao....I kena 'fattten so much' that I am ready for thanksgiving....(DIEx10

So just ripe for us to saddam you? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:26 am

I think identifying which is the weakest area of you game is more important... can try to split the strokes (72) into 3 categories...

Tee off (include any penalties eg. OB, water) - 18

Putting - 36

in between (anything after tee off and before reaching green) - 18

total - 72

Which do you spend the more shots? i believe it will be the in between....

Is it because the drive is too short that you have to use more than necessary to reach green? (Distance)

or just miss to left/right of green and need to chip in? (accuracy)

or maybe too many penalties?

To me it is easier to practice hitting all clubs than to try iand increase distance... Somehow for me when my drive is straight, it actually go further...
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:32 am

pushslice wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
blee2007 wrote:
Technospaz wrote:
pushslice wrote:
Duval chip is similar to poresia's chip. Hands forward, open stance, use lower lofted wedge. Ball run low, with few hops, stop at gimme distamce.

I want to see blee's chip, to finish my research on SB phenomenon.

You're writing a book on GR golfers, ah?

TS, not to worry, you will be featured in it.. Very Happy

In the bloopers section, no doubt.

TS, actually we are in the same boat. Dun practice, dun play much, crappy short game, neither long nor short. But given our forum activity, I reckon we like to comment so I put us in the "golf analyst" section of the handbook i.e. NATO Laughing

Onz, lah, bro! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:54 am

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duffader wrote:
Distance to me is not as crucial as short game and putting. I will always remember the ah pek whose Tee shot is less that 180m. End of day, still 4-5 over. His putting, i think less than 25 putts and his short game is immaculate.

sounds like duval


wah piang ....si pek chiak lak liao....I kena 'fattten so much' that I am ready for thanksgiving....(DIEx10)....so heres the real scoop about my self-confessed game where its all about expectation setting:

I personally felt that my short game is within my expectation...considering the fact that I don or hardly practise and only do max of 2 games per month...on yearly basis, around 20-24 games. And like all things, one reaps what one sows....I am of the view that my short game is acceptable considering the amt of investment I made (pretty insignificant). Typically I have not much issue getting the ball on green...but getting close (defined as within 3m) depends alot of how much I remember the green contour/spped .... if there is caddy around, I should be ok...

PS: I am definitely not Ah Pek lah...though I hv to admit I dress like one.....AND pls....I am really a Seasoned Beginner....only ie WYSIWYG


dear bro,

with great expectation, comes stronger commitment....

with stronger commitment, yields better result....

my words of wisdom to my #1 fan....

PS: i know u can do it

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:09 am

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..considering the fact that I don or hardly practise and only do max of 2 games per month..

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:28 am

my take in this is that you need to cover the distance to actually arrive and be able to play below par if that is your goal in golf. Else you will be able to have a chance on birdie putt.

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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:33 am

pushslice wrote:
put in GR context:

a)If you drive long and got no short game: aspiring beginner (90-105)

b)if you drive short and good in short game: seasoned beginner (85-90)

c)if you drive ok and good in short game: super seasoned beginners (80-85)

d)if you are long and and good in short game: star division (72-80)

e)if you are neither long off the tee nor can chip/pitch: real beginners (>105)

this is what i observe, not theory only. i bet most single hc players here are quite long.

If I can't be on d), I will rather be on a)
Distance is much depending on physical and difficult to improve especially when age catching up
Short game is much depending on practice which is possible to achieve great improvement.
BTW, I am on e) Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Does long drive really helps   Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:12 pm

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Duval_S wrote:
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dear bro,

with great expectation, comes stronger commitment....

with stronger commitment, yields better result....

my words of wisdom to my #1 fan....

PS: i know u can do it


Thanks bro,,,,,,,I kinda know that.....will need to go thru some mind-F conditioning to alter my brain.
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