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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:24 am

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I second that Titu, my Trackman results with an average 85mph and 1.5 smash factor is 180m carry and 210m total distance. The furthest I maxed out was 220m also. Resigned to the sad fact I can't hit much further and decided that the only way to make up for the shortfall is to hit my 3 wood well. My small consolation is that I now know for sure what my actual distance with the driver is, don't have to second guess and wonder anymore. Sad
Not only the 3wood bro, some holes nowadays can't put on regulation even using 3wood as the approach shot. For me, I wish I can practicing hard on the little chip and putter too.... Talking about that, it has been quite sometimes since my last practice..... I am just feeling lazy after the CNY pig
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:38 pm

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I second that Titu, my Trackman results with an average 85mph and 1.5 smash factor is 180m carry and 210m total distance. The furthest I maxed out was 220m also. Resigned to the sad fact I can't hit much further and decided that the only way to make up for the shortfall is to hit my 3 wood well. My small consolation is that I now know for sure what my actual distance with the driver is, don't have to second guess and wonder anymore. Sad
Not only the 3wood bro, some holes nowadays can't put on regulation even using 3wood as the approach shot. For me, I wish I can practicing hard on the little chip and putter too.... Talking about that, it has been quite sometimes since my last practice..... I am just feeling lazy after the CNY pig

You can't be more right JC, hitting the 3 wood well doesn't mean I end up on the green.

It's the tidying up with the wedge play and putter that seals the deal. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:58 pm

It's not how you drive but how you arrive? Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:59 pm

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But I'm curious that you say hitting down produces a high launch angle with irons. Isn't the punch shot (where we hit down more so than a regular swing) intended to keep the flight LOW?

Sorry to burst your bubble GooGie, a punch shot is not about hitting down more than with a regular swing.

It's a half to three quarter swing with a restricted follow-through, a forward press of the hands for a de-lofted clubface, with ball position moved back. The lower swing speed takes backspin off the ball so it doesn't climb, and hands forward and ball position back further ensures a low trajectory. A steeper angle of attack (hitting down) than normal would just make the ball climb.
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:02 pm

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It's not how you drive but how you arrive? Smile

Bro, I know why my game cant improve......coz I think that way,.

After alot of soul searching , I conclude


Its how you drive AND how you arrive
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:07 pm

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It's not how you drive but how you arrive? Smile

Bro, I know why my game cant improve......coz I think that way,.

After alot of soul searching , I conclude


Its how you drive AND how you arrive

Ahhbbuuuuudddennn!?

But if you had to pick either one to be good at, which would it be? How you drive OR how you arrive?

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:08 pm

how i arrive...
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:08 pm

driving is overrated tongue
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:13 pm

My worse shot is my tee-off shot...Bad drive just kills my confidence for every other shot.

Although driving might be overrated, nothing beats a good drive as a morale booster!!!

I need more practice with a driver...Anybody got any good drills to recommend? Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:16 pm

shamusan wrote:
driving is overrated tongue

From your perspective as a killer whale it is of course. Very Happy

I need to drive and arrive.

Us minnows need all the help we can get. I play well when I drive well and keep it in the fairway since I have the optimum lie for my second shot. Already can't hit far with all clubs, where got strength to hack the ball out of the rough on to the green? Playing jungle golf also just throws my rhythm out, manufacturing all kinds of shots out of trouble. By the time I get back in the fairway, I forget how to hit a full shot. All screwed up already. No
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:18 pm

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My worse shot is my tee-off shot...Bad drive just kills my confidence for every other shot.

Although driving might be overrated, nothing beats a good drive as a morale booster!!!

I need more practice with a driver...Anybody got any good drills to recommend? Thanks!

Black & Decker? geek
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:18 pm

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Duval_S wrote:
Quote :
Technospaz wrote:
It's not how you drive but how you arrive? Smile

Bro, I know why my game cant improve......coz I think that way,.

After alot of soul searching , I conclude


Its how you drive AND how you arrive

Ahhbbuuuuudddennn!?

But if you had to pick either one to be good at, which would it be? How you drive OR how you arrive?

my wife asked me something similar before...

Wife: Dear......we married for 11 years liao hor?

DS: yes Dear...so fast hor....

Wife: So....do you love me more or your mother more ???

DS: wait wait...I need to go toilet...(ps: tat is happening for the past 20 times)



ROFL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:25 pm

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My comments were a generalization for what happens to the majority of folders. And yes impact location on the face has a big affect on launch angle as well.

But I'm curious that you say hitting down produces a high launch angle with irons. Isn't the punch shot (where we hit down more so than a regular swing) intended to keep the flight LOW?

If you are on traxkman you'll notice the launch angle with your driver is usually a few degrees away from the loft of the head whereas the LA with your wedge is much much lower than the loft on the PW. The reason is we hit down on the ball more with the wedge.

Googie

Why don't you do us all a favor since you seem to have a Trackman readily available for testing.

- Tee up your ball. Iron tee height is fine or ~ 1/2-1" above the ground.
- Set up your PW shot the same way you would a Driver in terms of ball position and weight placement.
- Full Swing and full finish but hitting down on it.

Vs

A normal way you would set up for a punch shot and the swing technique involved (which probably will be pretty close to opposite of what I listed above)

Then come back and let us know the results in terms of LA?

Anyway thats for trackman data collection.

For me when I want to hit a higher shot with the irons, I set up the way most would prescribe to hit a high shot and make sure I hit down harder.

I don't know how you would execute the same shot la but I hope flipping is not one of your techniques.

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:36 pm

Duval_S wrote:
Quote :
Technospaz wrote:
Duval_S wrote:
Quote :
Technospaz wrote:
It's not how you drive but how you arrive? Smile

Bro, I know why my game cant improve......coz I think that way,.

After alot of soul searching , I conclude


Its how you drive AND how you arrive

Ahhbbuuuuudddennn!?

But if you had to pick either one to be good at, which would it be? How you drive OR how you arrive?

my wife asked me something similar before...

Wife: Dear......we married for 11 years liao hor?

DS: yes Dear...so fast hor....

Wife: So....do you love me more or your mother more ???

DS: wait wait...I need to go toilet...(ps: tat is happening for the past 20 times)



ROFL ROFL

What the??? You've been taking my cough drops, haven't you??

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm

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GooGie wrote:


But I'm curious that you say hitting down produces a high launch angle with irons. Isn't the punch shot (where we hit down more so than a regular swing) intended to keep the flight LOW?

Sorry to burst your bubble GooGie, a punch shot is not about hitting down more than with a regular swing.

It's a half to three quarter swing with a restricted follow-through, a forward press of the hands for a de-lofted clubface, with ball position moved back. The lower swing speed takes backspin off the ball so it doesn't climb, and hands forward and ball position back further ensures a low trajectory. A steeper angle of attack (hitting down) than normal would just make the ball climb.

Ahh, climb yes (because hitting down produces backspin) but we were talking about Launch Angle.

When trying to hit a low launch shot don't we lean left, hands forward and ball back in the stance? Don't all these setup changes produce a de lofted impact position aka a steep angle of attack into the ball?

Let's pose this question the Pros in the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:08 pm

Googies, for those low launch shot, do you finish like you do for normal shots???
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:25 pm

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Birdman wrote:
GooGie wrote:


But I'm curious that you say hitting down produces a high launch angle with irons. Isn't the punch shot (where we hit down more so than a regular swing) intended to keep the flight LOW?

Sorry to burst your bubble GooGie, a punch shot is not about hitting down more than with a regular swing.

It's a half to three quarter swing with a restricted follow-through, a forward press of the hands for a de-lofted clubface, with ball position moved back. The lower swing speed takes backspin off the ball so it doesn't climb, and hands forward and ball position back further ensures a low trajectory. A steeper angle of attack (hitting down) than normal would just make the ball climb.

Ahh, climb yes (because hitting down produces backspin) but we were talking about Launch Angle.

When trying to hit a low launch shot don't we lean left, hands forward and ball back in the stance? Don't all these setup changes produce a de lofted impact position aka a steep angle of attack into the ball?

Let's pose this question the Pros in the forum.

And I was attempting to clear the air on what you though a punch shot is, which is why I put only your question in quotation marks. There are many in this forum still learning, myself included. It would be unfair to confuse us with what is incorrect information ie. that a punch shot is about hitting down. It is not.

A de-lofted impact position as you put it, is NOT also known as a steep angle of attack.

By the way, there is no such thing as a de-lofted impact position.

Please do your research, digest and understand it, before you come in here spouting mis-information. I say this for the sake of my fellow Golf Republicans.


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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:29 pm

Damn, I want a refund for all my instrction books (Hogan, Leadbetter, Toski, Woods etc) at home cos they all tell me to hit down on the ball with a steeper angle of attck to launch the ball low. They also say to launch it high I need to lean on my back foot and sweep the ball up of the turf.

Damn, how could I have been so stupid to believe these guys?
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:33 pm

Eh,

Don't dodge my post leh.

I trust you will post accurate results so pls let us know how the test I requested happens.

let us know ya.

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:37 pm

Wah very cheem but educational thread. I learn a lot of new terms like de-lofted impact position; angle of attack, etc.. Words that I will have to google later.

How to find out what my impact position is (lofted/delofted) and also what my angle of attack is? Must use what trackman thingy ah? Then how to go about changing my impact position and angle of attack?
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:39 pm

Don't think you are stupid, far from it. There are times when there is a lot more to learn than just from reading books. Very Happy

As for what those books told you with regards to your statement below:

"They also say to launch it high I need to lean on my back foot and sweep the ball up of the turf."

If you have a sound swing like the pros, yes. If not, most amateurs who try to follow this piece of advice would probably end up topping the ball, or duffing it. The details which I shall not go into lest I confuse Jimmy Choo or educate the SSquirrel even more. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:41 pm

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Then how to go about changing my impact position ...?

TSS master

You also learning how to hit the small ball before the big ball ah? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:42 pm

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Wah very cheem but educational thread. I learn a lot of new terms like de-lofted impact position; angle of attack, etc.. Words that I will have to google later.

How to find out what my impact position is (lofted/delofted) and also what my angle of attack is? Must use what trackman thingy ah? Then how to go about changing my impact position and angle of attack?

And here comes the secret agent. I just realised what the SS stand for oredi. S**T Stirrer! ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:43 pm

Whoa Bro birdman, your last paragraph kinda surprised me a little bit. Come on bro...lighten up like a bird Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 10.5 vs 9.5 degrees Driver. What is its relationship with distance?    Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:49 pm

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Whoa Bro birdman, your last paragraph kinda surprised me a little bit. Come on bro...lighten up like a bird Wink

Thanks for the advise bro, I'm cool. I bear no ill will or anger. Very Happy

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